If you're a pilot, dont be friends with me!

William Reinicke

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With this UPS cargo plane crash, I got to thinking....

My first experience with a plane crash was in middle school when a friend of mine lost his father in a fedex cargo plane crash. I remember the devastation it caused him and his mom and we remained friends all the way through high school. They were set for life afterwards, but no amount of money replaces a life.

I was a freshman in college and I heard about a game and fish heli that went down on a sheep project. My best friend, who is the videographer for kuiu, his father is a pretty well known vet here. He has a contact with the state to help with relocating big horn sheep and collaring elk and they do this from helicopter. He is always bragging how he shoots 30-50 elk a year, but they all get to live. When I heard this on the local news, I text my buddy and asked if there was any chance his pops was on that heli. Sure enough, the motor died and they fell out of the sky like a rock is how his dad describes it. They were darting and relocating big horn sheep in the state when tragedy struck. Everyone survived but just crazy.

About 7 years ago, my grandfather crashed his little 4 seater plane. He has been a pilot for 50ish years and was a pilot in the Navy. Like fisherman love to fish, he loves to fly. Its just his jam. Flew to Phoneix, picked up my Aunt, flew her to Utah for a Marathon and then flew home. Disappointed with all his landings that day, he went out the next day to practice touch and goes. On his final take off, about 30-50 feet above the ground, engine dies. He turned the key one time, nothing, pulled himself forward and looked over the dash to see a barb wire fence in front of him. Had just enough time to lift his landing gear, so it wouldnt catch the wire and possible send him nose down in the dirt causing severe injury. He set the plane down in the dirt on a horse farm and walked away with a broken nose. He talks about how little time he had to make decisions before he knew it was going in the ground.

Now this UPS cargo plane... unfortunately I worked with the wife of one of the pilots. An amazing family and my heart breaks for their loss. His service is tomorrow. It must be an extremely vulnerable time during flight, the first 50-100 feet of take off. It seems this cargo plane had no chance losing its engine on takeoff. An absolute disaster. My grandfather talks all the time how he had just 0 time and could only make 1-2 decisions. I would think these pilots were feeling the exact same way unfortunately. I doubt she will ever return to work here, but it seems I know someone in a plane/helicopter crash every 5-7 years for as long as I can remember. So, if you fly planes often, shut me out of your world.
 
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Yup, I refuse to fly. Air travel is supposed to be safer but I would rather take my chances behind the wheel and see some of our beautiful country while driving. Too bad Amtrack is so damn expensive. Sorry for your coworker's family loss. RM
 
Yup, I refuse to fly. Air travel is supposed to be safer but I would rather take my chances behind the wheel and see some of our beautiful country while driving. Too bad Amtrack is so damn expensive. Sorry for your coworker's family loss. RM
You sounds like my FIL. He refuses to fly as well. Lives in upstate NY and takes a train to us every xmas. Its like 1.5-2 days of travel time to us every year. It always sounds so miserable to me when he talks about his train adventures. Hes an interesting guy and was a submarine capt in the Navy, so he doesnt mind confined areas. I would be too stir crazy for a train for travel.
 
You sounds like my FIL. He refuses to fly as well. Lives in upstate NY and takes a train to us every xmas. Its like 1.5-2 days of travel time to us every year. It always sounds so miserable to me when he talks about his train adventures. Hes an interesting guy and was a submarine capt in the Navy, so he doesnt mind confined areas. I would be too stir crazy for a train for travel.
I know it sounds crazy that a retired locomotive engineer would want to travel by train but I think my wife would enjoy it. She would be most comfortable in a sleeper car and I would love to see the mountains by train. Perfect anniversary trip but will have to wait until Berta our GWP passes. RM
 
My father worked for UPS for 36 years, always loved it when I got to visit the planes as a kid and see inside. The pilots were some of the best as the company provided the finest in benefits / compensation. The story behind this is heartbreaking those MD-11's should have been retired once 20yrs hit. Shame, heart goes out to all.. that new CEO bimbo is a complete disaster have to wonder if the crashing stock prices, cutbacks, quality chaos and mis-management was a contributing factor kind of unique for this to happen who approved the repairs just hours prior? hmmm
 
I was once at the banquet at a fishing show and ended up sitting at a table with two owner/pilots of sporting camps, a retired Warden Service pilot, a current Warden Service pilot, and a pilot for a fly-in charter service. There were probably a combined 80+ years of backcountry flying experience among them. They got to telling scary float plane stories, and every one of them had at least one that scared my pants off. I'd flown with two of them before that day, and both them and a third since, with never a or even a moment of air sickness, but it sure makes me think every time I get into a small plane about all the little things that can go wrong and ruin your day. No different than a boat or driving a car, I suppose, but it sure feels different with a whole lot of empty air underneath you.
 
I travel by commercial air a lot, for business 8-10 times a year, to Japan 4 times, and Germany once. I’ve had some uncomfortable flights but never felt unsafe.
Flew in a small plane once from Central Alabama to central PA. It’s was fun, sorta. But at this point in my life I don’t think I’d fly a small single engine plane again. Just not worth the risk, to me.
But each person has to weigh that for themselves.
The recent crash was horrific. Too similar to the engine detachment crash of a similar plane years ago. I believe they will find similar causes. Tragic.
 
I was once at the banquet at a fishing show and ended up sitting at a table with two owner/pilots of sporting camps, a retired Warden Service pilot, a current Warden Service pilot, and a pilot for a fly-in charter service. There were probably a combined 80+ years of backcountry flying experience among them. They got to telling scary float plane stories, and every one of them had at least one that scared my pants off. I'd flown with two of them before that day, and both them and a third since, with never a or even a moment of air sickness, but it sure makes me think every time I get into a small plane about all the little things that can go wrong and ruin your day. No different than a boat or driving a car, I suppose, but it sure feels different with a whole lot of empty air underneath you.
My grandfather really wanted me to get my pilots license. At one time, in my teenage years, I had to live with him a short time. We flew a lot and I did enjoy it. One day he took me out in the middle of nowhere and all of a sudden he put the plane in a crazy decent. Alarms going off and plane losing altitude like crazy. As calm as can be, he just looked at me and asked "what do you do". I dont know, say my final wishes to god and leave this earth..... I was scared. He crawled it right back up and started explaining all the stalls a plane can experience. What each one was, how to correct and it was eye opening. Just when I was feeling alright, he just turned the plane off. No engine, just free gliding. He explained how a plane wants to fly and if you lose an engine, you have plenty of time to figure out what to do and there really isnt a reason to freak out. I bet we just glided through the air for 3-4 minutes and he started the engine right up and explained how all the engine does is create lift but the plane does the flying. I guess when you are only 30 feet off the ground and lose lift, you dont have many options and that idea of having plenty of time goes right out the window. Seems that was his issue when he wrecked his plane and the issue these unfortunate UPS pilots went through as well.

Funny story, one time when I was living with him, he knew I came home a little intoxicated after sneaking out with some buddies. Instead of the normal, up early, digging post holes and throwing your guts up punishment... he woke me up at 4 am and drove me to the airport. He made me pull the plane out of the hanger, we got in, fired it up, had me take off and told me to fly to a town about 45 min south, do a touch and go and come home. Whatever I thought, this is stupid but ok. We get to altitude and then the crazy guy pulls out sunshades and puts it over the window of the plane and tells me to do it with 100% instruments. Now im getting hot and sweaty and pretty queezy. he knew what he was doing but im too hard headed to lose or admit my wrong doing at that time in my life, so I did just what he asked. I kept it together the entire flight and the whole way home. As soon as I walked upstairs to my room, I went and hugged a toilet and laid there for an hour or so just getting rid of everything I may have had in my stomach lol.
 
For many years I flew commercial all over the continental US. I've been to all but a few states, hunting, fishing and competitive shooting. The constant travel got old. I haven't been on a commercial plane since March, 2009.

Always wanted to fly a plane. Seven or eight years ago, I got my private pilot certificate. That's the most common civilian rating, the first step for pilots heading to airlines. Most likely what Williams grandfather had, possibly with more advanced ratings. I love flying once the aircraft is 1,000 or so feet above the ground. I enjoy landings, it's the everyday challenge. As you have all pointed out, takeoffs are where you are the most vulnerable on a nice weather day. Lose the engine and you're in a tough spot. I'm pretty edgy taking off.

My neighbor was an Air Force fighter pilot, later a FedEx MD 11 pilot. He retired two years ago, commercial pilots age out the day they hit 65. He's coming to Thanksgiving dinner, I'll be curious to hear his thoughts about the MD 11 fleet. The news and armchair pilots are screaming to retire the fleet. My take at the moment is that the attachment hardware was inaccessible for visual inspection. If the failure point was visible, chances are the cracks would have been spotted and repaired during routine maintenance.
 
For many years I flew commercial all over the continental US. I've been to all but a few states, hunting, fishing and competitive shooting. The constant travel got old. I haven't been on a commercial plane since March, 2009.

Always wanted to fly a plane. Seven or eight years ago, I got my private pilot certificate. That's the most common civilian rating, the first step for pilots heading to airlines. Most likely what Williams grandfather had, possibly with more advanced ratings. I love flying once the aircraft is 1,000 or so feet above the ground. I enjoy landings, it's the everyday challenge. As you have all pointed out, takeoffs are where you are the most vulnerable on a nice weather day. Lose the engine and you're in a tough spot. I'm pretty edgy taking off.

My neighbor was an Air Force fighter pilot, later a FedEx MD 11 pilot. He retired two years ago, commercial pilots age out the day they hit 65. He's coming to Thanksgiving dinner, I'll be curious to hear his thoughts about the MD 11 fleet. The news and armchair pilots are screaming to retire the fleet. My take at the moment is that the attachment hardware was inaccessible for visual inspection. If the failure point was visible, chances are the cracks would have been spotted and repaired during routine maintenance.
Keep us updated on what he has to say. I would love to be a fly on the wall for that conversation.

When I was flying with my Gpa a lot more, I loved the take offs. Theres nothing like feeling that first bit of air and that rush of acceleration as the plane lifts. Theres nothing like it. The only thing that I can relate it to, in some ways, is in a really fast bass boat when it just gets on pad and starts its real acceleration and starts screaming down the lake.
 
Keep us updated on what he has to say. I would love to be a fly on the wall for that conversation.

When I was flying with my Gpa a lot more, I loved the take offs. Theres nothing like feeling that first bit of air and that rush of acceleration as the plane lifts. Theres nothing like it. The only thing that I can relate it to, in some ways, is in a really fast bass boat when it just gets on pad and starts its real acceleration and starts screaming down the lake.
Yeah, takeoffs are great if nothing goes wrong. I just cant get the possible bad luck out of my head. But there is magic in flying yourself around.

Pretty much every pilot I know remembers in detail his first solo flight, especially the takeoff. When the wheels leave the ground, in that moment you know it's real. There's only one way this ends well. Then as you fly the pattern, just like a boat shrinks when it's in the water, so does the runway. I wish I learned as a kid, without the old guy fear.
 
Yeah, takeoffs are great if nothing goes wrong. I just cant get the possible bad luck out of my head. But there is magic in flying yourself around.

Pretty much every pilot I know remembers in detail his first solo flight, especially the takeoff. When the wheels leave the ground, in that moment you know it's real. There's only one way this ends well. Then as you fly the pattern, just like a boat shrinks when it's in the water, so does the runway. I wish I learned as a kid, without the old guy fear.
Landings are what scare me. Probably what scared me away from ever truly pursuing my pilots license with my gpa. Ive seen him make some crazy wild landings in his plane. As a navy pilot, not much scares him and especially in a plane. Let me not say, he highly respects the craft and is always perfecting the skill but I remember one landing where the plane was practically sideways from a gust of wind that was completely unexpected and I remember him taking control of the yoke, felt like we were drifting a plane down the runway at a 45 degree angle forever and he knew right when to straighten it out and put wheels on the ground. I didnt say a thing, but im thinking my face said it all. He just looked at me and said, "well that was wild wasnt it?" I just said we would of died if you didnt take the yoke. He just laughed and said, can always power up and go around for another landing. Yet, he knew me well enough though to know I didnt have that knowledge and he knew me well enough to know I push the limits on everything I do so I was going to try and land that plane, despite the landing that was going south real fast. I cant even say ive grown out of it.... 40-50 mph winds at the boat ramp.... we're still hunting boys. Caught myself in that situation last year lol. One of the dumbest things Ive still done today. But I survived it somehow.
 
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