2025 Devlin Snow Goose Thread

[tod osier]

Straight off Yamaha website. 25 horse, electric trim,start,tiller available in 15 or 20 inch shaft length.

Got one that's less then 2 years old sitting on the transom of our troatline boat. Solid lil motor.

He needs a 40 hp.

 

[jode hillman]

Straight off Yamaha website. 25 horse, electric trim,start,tiller available in 15 or 20 inch shaft length.

Got one that's less then 2 years old sitting on the transom of our troatline boat. Solid lil motor.

I will agree with what Henry said. I recently went to my Yamaha dealer looking for a short shaft in 30 or 40. He said they were not available and the long shaft would be my best option. I don't know why this is but it seems the case

 

[HenryHawthorne]

Straight off Yamaha website. 25 horse, electric trim,start,tiller available in 15 or 20 inch shaft length.

Got one that's less then 2 years old sitting on the transom of our troatline boat. Solid lil motor.

Yes, the lower hps still come in short shaft. But the SG needs a 40hp, and only Tohatsu (among major mfrs) still offers one. So, I could go down to 30hp and find several, go with Tohatsu's 40, or search for a used (in which case I'd probably go for an older 2 stroke and lose some meaningful weight). But as it's ok to use a long shaft and there are some benefits, I'm planning to design that way. I can always cut down the transom if I change my mind or find a great deal on a ss.

 

[HenryHawthorne]

I'm having trouble understanding your plan, If you are mocking it up, post a pic when done. My thought is that you are thinking of locating the dog's spot over what would typically be the motor well. The absolute last place I'd want a dog is on top of the motor well and in front of the motor, but maybe I'm not understanding your plan. A dog anywhere near the rigging would be a nightmare when they launch themselves in our out of place, the wiring and fuel lines aren't exactly fragile, but dogs aren't exactly gentle. Not that dogs aren't always in the way already, but you are training them that their place is to be right in the way, their safe spot is going to be to jump right up on the tiller whenever they think it is or want it to be time to hunt.

There are some of the larger boat blind boats that have full width wells with dog platforms. Look at the Bankes larger ones, maybe the duckwaters. These are only really feasible on a really beamy boat as you are having a hard time fitting the dog somewhere. Boats with a stern dog platform are just a totally different class of boat in terms of size.

It seems like you are committing to a tall blind 100% and while a good tall blind works well for divers, you will be limited for puddle ducks unless up against some sort of significant cover.

I drawed up this idea for you:
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I haven't sketched it out, yet, but will later this morning. I wasn't thinking full width, but I was thinking in front of the motor. Your points are good ones. My pup is well place-trained and controllable in that respect, but you are definitely right that it would be adding activity in a place with some risks. I'll sketch it and if I still think think there is any value in the idea will post it for further discussion. Appreciate the feedback.

 

[HenryHawthorne]

I will agree with what Henry said. I recently went to my Yamaha dealer looking for a short shaft in 30 or 40. He said they were not available and the long shaft would be my best option. I don't know why this is but it seems the case

I spoke with a friend that owns and runs a major boat/motor/trailer and parts company in our area. His belief is that the short shaft market has gotten too small for the major manufacturers to want to compete for it - that most boats made these days simply have higher transoms now. He says it's also been more common for a while when someone brings in an older boat with a lower transom for repower that they want the transom rebuilt (or plate added) for a long shaft than straight repowering with a short shaft.

 

[Clinton John]

Yes, the lower hps still come in short shaft. But the SG needs a 40hp, and only Tohatsu (among major mfrs) still offers one. So, I could go down to 30hp and find several, go with Tohatsu's 40, or search for a used (in which case I'd probably go for an older 2 stroke and lose some meaningful weight). But as it's ok to use a long shaft and there are some benefits, I'm planning to design that way. I can always cut down the transom if I change my mind or find a great deal on a ss.

 

[Clinton John]

Google brought me right too it.

 

[HenryHawthorne]

Google brought me right too it.

Yep, that's the only one I could find, too.l - confirming what Tod learned and confirmed by my local vendor.

 

[HenryHawthorne]

I'm having trouble understanding your plan, If you are mocking it up, post a pic when done. My thought is that you are thinking of locating the dog's spot over what would typically be the motor well. The absolute last place I'd want a dog is on top of the motor well and in front of the motor, but maybe I'm not understanding your plan. A dog anywhere near the rigging would be a nightmare when they launch themselves in our out of place, the wiring and fuel lines aren't exactly fragile, but dogs aren't exactly gentle. Not that dogs aren't always in the way already, but you are training them that their place is to be right in the way, their safe spot is going to be to jump right up on the tiller whenever they think it is or want it to be time to hunt.

There are some of the larger boat blind boats that have full width wells with dog platforms. Look at the Bankes larger ones, maybe the duckwaters. These are only really feasible on a really beamy boat as you are having a hard time fitting the dog somewhere. Boats with a stern dog platform are just a totally different class of boat in terms of size.

It seems like you are committing to a tall blind 100% and while a good tall blind works well for divers, you will be limited for puddle ducks unless up against some sort of significant cover.

I drawed up this idea for you:
View attachment 63979

Here is a sketch, more or less to scale. Top "as designed", bottom has the addition 9" of length fore to aft, and 3" in width taken from each flotation chamber. The blue is the "insert" that brings the splashwell up to deck height, but that still allows water to get to the splashwell.

It's a bit narrow (fore to aft) at 16"... unless I extend the concept through the added deck/seating - in which case I get a touch over 2' from tiller mount to fore end of the deck. That is plenty big for a 50-60lb lab.

In this scenario, the dog would be there only when actively hunting - would be moved to the hull floor in transit. I think this could be trained quite easily, but there are obvious complications as Tod points out so not likely to pursue this option. On the other hand, making an insert would be easy and cheap, so this is a concept I could experiment with once the boat is completed and reject/eliminate with no real loss.

Maybe more importantly, this does give me some validation of raising the motor (to accommodate long shaft) and getting full or nearly full clearance at deck height when fully tilted.