$4 a shell? Holy cow!

Jeff Reardon

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This season has about burned through my stockpile of bismuth duck loads, which are no longer available from BOSS and don't appear to be coming back. The FB bots must have been tagging my searches, because they've sent me several ads for Black River shells in recent days. Always been intrigued by TSS, and love the idea of biodegradable instead of plastic wads. But $89.99 for a box of 15 shells? Anybody use this, or have another commercial source for TSS shells (or word that bismuth may be back for next season?) https://lightsoutammo.com/green-hea...zMRHmPLOPd9Wwre2g_aem_MNh9iVv_TQbp4t_3FZm3Hw#
 
I'm disappointed with the cancelation of the Boss bismuth too! I've been shooting it for a few years, and it's been working out great. When I do my part, it kills them dead dead dead!
I've decided not to go with TSS, too expensive and I'll need to go back to an open choke. ( I'm shooting the Carlson cremator long range all the time now)
I'm either going back and using up my hoard of steel, and hoping for the return of bismuth. I just shoot too much to waste $5 a pop.
 
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I too am very disappointed at the cancellation of BOSS bismuth. It's been all I've shot for a number of seasons.

Apex makes a TSS duck load. I've tried a few shells and it's amazing stuff. Markedly better even than Bismuth. However, at $6/shot I cannot even remotely afford to like it. I do swear by Apex TSS for turkeys, but a few shells a season is a lot different than duck hunting.
 
Bismuth is easy to reload and will cut your shell cost in half. I reload it for my 20,s & 28. Ballistic Products has all the reload data as well as components. Roto Metals occasionally has sales on Bismuth shot. A Mec 600 and a good digital scale and your in business. I don,t reload it in 12 simply because i,m completely satisfied with 3" steel.
 
Why did Boss drop their bismuth line? Seems odd since that's what made them a market leader.
I,m sure it was in reaction to the initial trump tariffs on metals from China and their subsequent stoppage of exports. That has since changed and although Bismuth costs more now its not the exorbitant price that was being charged for a short time period. That and TSS availability dried up quickly initially on reloading mkt. Thats changed. Boss,s attempt at no longer relying on Chinese exports turned them to copper which there is U.S. suppliers for. It may have bit them in the butt!
 
Roy

Thanks. I have no idea if they are moving copper loads but I don't think I've seen anyone in our blind pull out a box of Boss shells this season. I guess I'm going to have to be stingy with my few remaining boxes of Boss bismuth and save them for old doubles. I do think getting hunters to buy into all copper shot, and not just plated, will be a tough sell out of the gate. Familiarity is important and since lead went away it's been steel, tungsten, and bismuth. Throwing copper into the mix might take some time for hunters to latch onto. Then again folks do reach for new just for the fact it's new. I don't know...

It's a shame lead is so nasty. Shopping for shells used to be easy. Hand me that box of #4s... There are so many types of ammo and new stuff all the time. I take a lot of it with a grain of marketing salt and have settled in to steel 3s.
 
Why did Boss drop their bismuth line? Seems odd since that's what made them a market leader.

The Chinese enacted export controls on several metals early last year. Bi was one of those, and most large quantity Bi supply comes from them. The Bismuth spot went from under $6 to roughly $25/pound. Boss claimed price and supply challenges. Chances are the market will stabilize and Bi will be back.
 
Why copper as a replacement, other than US supply? I have gone to using copper rifle bullets, but it's only slightly denser than steel. Probably softer than steel--maybe better for old barrels?
 
Why did Boss drop their bismuth line? Seems odd since that's what made them a market leader.
Eric,
Check out their website or just give them a call. You are correct, no more Bismuth however they have developed what looks like a copper replacement with increased velocity and penetration. It's really quite interesting what they have accomplished. I'm with you on steel, for the price I will shoot my Kent in 2, 3 and BB. I really give this small company credit for surviving the bismuth shortage and developing new alternatives. It seems the big boys are now chasing their technology. It's fun to watch their progress and they seem to have a very dedicated following of customers.

RVZ
 
I was a loyal customer, I really liked their products. Now that they totally changed their product, all copper shot, I'm not interested in it at this time.
I did buy 14lbs of #4: bismuth from Ballistic Products, and I have all the other components to load up some shells. I guess I'll be working on that in the office season.
 
A few years ago I bought a couple of cases of Winchester Expert #2's when Walmart had them on sale. I didn't shoot a duck this year and only 2 last year. At this rate I'm never going to run out of shells!😆
 
Why is everyone so against steel shot? Admittedly it was pretty bad in the beginning but the last four years I have been pretty impressed by it. The last case of Fiocchi Flyway Steel #2 cost only $150, so definitely not premium. Over decoys in Saskatchewan I used #3 shot and have yet to recover a pellet, so good penetration. Same with pheasants, who are pretty tough customers, steel shot has worked well. Having said that, I love tss for turkey hunting Merriams out west when the additional 20 yards may determine whether or not you punch your tag. RM
 
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I hope i never need to fire another steel shot shell. Not the least bit interested in copper either. I have a couple of cases of Boss Bismuth, which should last another year. With luck the Bismuth situation will be straightened out by then. Otherwise ill pay whatever I need to in order to buy ammo that I want. With the amount of money we hunters invest in equipment, ill suck it up to pay for the best ammo.
 
Don't purchase quite yet. This blurb was on the bottom of the Boss Copper web page:

Corrosion-Inhibited Copper shot was deemed non-toxic in 2013 by the USFWS. Once our Mark III tester is approved by the USFWS we anticipate an updated formal approval to be added to the USFWS Approved Shot List.

RM
 
It seems the big boys are now chasing their technology.
Thinking more about Boss moving away from Bismuth and Rod's quote. I wonder if Boss is a victim of other shell manufacturers copying them and buying up available Bismuth? The Chinese export restrictions coupled with an increase in demand for shot would certainly push the price up and make it harder to source.

Prior to Boss Bismuth, I'd been using Remington HeviShot, then HD, since they introduced it in the early 2000's. I still have a fair number of shells, but Remington is loading HD again. I guess it's time to bite the bullet, so to speak, and stock up. I'm also going to try some Red Dawn duck loads, first in the 28 gauge. The 28 definitely works great out to 35 yards with Bismuth, and the guns are such a pleasure to shoot. Really looking forward to finding out if the 28 can be effective at 50 yards.
 
I'm not against steel, but loved the Boss bismuth. I will be returning to steel some day. And yes, the early steel was bad!
Same here. I was a Kent Fasteel fan, and will go back to it unless bismuth comes back. I bought some of the BOSS shells on an early introductory price and they worked just fine and seemed to have fewer crippling losses. When I started, the cost difference between Fasteel and Boss bismuth was not overwhelming, so I bought a couple of cases, and am just now running through the end of those.
 
Most non-toxic ammo that is denser than steel has been very volatile in price since the various types have been introduced. Sometimes they are available for 3-4 years, but they all seem to have pricing swings and availability issues or bankruptcies among the actual manufacturers of the shot itself over time. Roy hints at this around the tariff issue, but the real problem is that the US, while needing these metals (for things more important than non-toxic shot), has had no industrial policy to keep a basic supply chain in country from ore to finished material. Being in the auto parts industry for my adult life and sometimes dealing in exhaust, I saw this happen several times in substrate for catalytic converters.
I started using premium non-toxic ammo probably 20 years ago when you were looking at $1-$2 a shot. For me, I was willing to pay it because duck hunting is one of the few recreational things I do and I was willing to spend the $ because it was limited to maybe a couple hundred rounds per year during my most active hunting years and I already had the rest of the gear I needed. I was willing to do that because even though steel is a much better product than when I first had to use non-toxic in the early 80's it was still inferior to lead and I saw lots of birds get hit, drop feathers, and keep flying mostly to die elsewhere. Most of that is because people shoot at ranges they shouldn't shoot at, because steel is very effective when used at the proper range, but that effective range is much closer than people think or can accurately gauge.
The very best commercially available shot I ever used was the Remington Wingmaster HD and the Winchester Extended Range tungsten, and believe they were better than lead. While I largely shoot ducks, I also hunt some snow geese, and found that #6 was all you needed for either one. Again, knowing your range and being responsible about it makes all of the difference, but 40 yards was a lethal range with those loads because they would penetrate, and regardless of what anyone else may believe, that range is just too far for steel loads for most people to consistently kill ducks and not wound many unless you are a new version of Tom Knapp. I almost never knocked out feathers and saw a bird continue to fly using premium tungsten shot. I also had a friend handload some shells for me one year using Ballistic Products tungsten which was also excellent. Both of the brands discontinued their offering several years ago because their shot supplier had gone bankrupt due to the volatility of the pricing of the base metal.
Until that changes I don't see how you will find a a brand you can stick with for many years. I have bought some Hevi XII the last couple of years and have found it to be pretty good also, and just bought another hundred rounds today for $76/box of 25 rounds from Able Ammo in 2-3/4 #4 shot. I have also used over the years various bismuth loads when they were all that was available in a premium load, which are better than steel but not even close to tungsten or tungsten blends, at least to me. I did like the Rio bismuth I bought a few years back, but am not sure they're still available.
Unfortunately, due to a medical issue I have not been able to hunt this year (but will again next year) and have some stock, but went ahead and bought what I referenced above because also don't think this problem is going away any time soon until there is supply available outside of China that is more stable.
I only buy and use 2-3/4 shells for premium ammo, I don't think there is any need or advantage to using 3", but that is just me. I am not master duck hunter or one of these dudes from TV that are pro-staffers(whatever that actually means), just a regular avid duck hunter like many of you out there, and certainly not a better shot than most of you. But that is what I believe and it is from my experience both shooting and watching, and why I use the premium stuff.
 
Bismuth is easy to reload and will cut your shell cost in half. I reload it for my 20,s & 28. Ballistic Products has all the reload data as well as components. Roto Metals occasionally has sales on Bismuth shot. A Mec 600 and a good digital scale and your in business. I don,t reload it in 12 simply because i,m completely satisfied with 3" steel.
@roy brewington even with BPIs prices it's still close to $1.60/shell when reloading bismuth. It used to be cheaper to reload it, and like @MIKE-SID I stocked up, but once reloading gets close to $2/shell I'm looking to buy shells that are a similar price. I got some of the Kent bismuth loads for cheaper than I could reload bismuth. I'm not crazy about them. They don't pattern as well as boss, only limited selection of shot sizes (we cant use larger than #2 bismuth for geese and they only had #1s), and with the extra powder the recoil is more than I normally prefer. The boss stingers, which looked like little red cigars to me; were my favorite. My daughter has two cases of BOSS in 20ga. When I run out I'll be shooting those (sorry Rose!), and then retuning to cheapo steel. Cant afford tungsten, either reloaded or purchased, on a state salary.

I'm just as happy to let ducks get under 30 yards before taking a shot. More fun to watch them work anyways than try and clip them at 40-50 yards
 
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