72 North American Species

Longtailed Ducks are "regulated" as are the ducks you find in your marshes...at least that you might find had a migration actually occured to the North of you.......

Steve
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I can say with 100% certainty that no migration of Eiders/Harlequins/Scoter occurred through MN this year (nor any year I have been on THIS planet). Must still be north of me. So there-

Mark W
 
and I'll agree with you that those birds are, indeed, NORTHERNS........

Oh and I was saddened that you didn't jump on the jab about Northerns on the Mottled post......all that potential jousting lost.......sad...sad I say....

Steve
 
I hate to say it but it sounds like you are having a heckuva time seeing ducks this year Mark.

Scoters, Eiders, Old Squaws and even Harlies show up on the Great Lakes reasonably often and you are not that far away. (I dont want to get into a discussion of east-west migration either) :-)

Honest ...look here

http://www.duckhuntingchat.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=107462

Note his "secret spot" in the Straits...thats the Mackinaw Bridge in the background

No need to start a gigantically long post rant on the topic but I thought people would be interested
 
You absolutely can shoot 6 harlis or common eiders in Mn or Iowa.. if they came in...Because they are not listed in limits doesn't mean anything.. Eiders and harlis are not listed in WI, but several were shot in WI on Lake Michigan this year.

Below is the Iowa reg...
Ducks:​
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Daily limit is 6, including no more than 4 mallards (of​
which no more than 2 may be female), 3 wood ducks, 2 redheads,​
2 scaup, 1 black duck, 1 pintail, 1 mottled duck and 1 canvasback.​
Mergansers: Daily limit is 5, including

There is nothing mentioning... shovlers, buffies, teal, GE, harlie, scooters, and many other species...
 
You absolutely can shoot 6 harlis or common eiders in Mn or Iowa.. if they came in...Because they are not listed in limits doesn't mean anything.. Eiders and harlis are not listed in WI, but several were shot in WI on Lake Michigan this year.

Below is the Iowa reg...
Ducks:​
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Daily limit is 6, including no more than 4 mallards (of​
which no more than 2 may be female), 3 wood ducks, 2 redheads,​
2 scaup, 1 black duck, 1 pintail, 1 mottled duck and 1 canvasback.​

Mergansers: Daily limit is 5, including

There is nothing mentioning... shovlers, buffies, teal, GE, harlie, scooters, and many other species...
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While I agree that the laws should be stated clearly like you say just because they don't put it in there doesn't mean there isn't a law that says you can't shoot a Harli in Iowa.
I know somewhere there is a law that says you can't shoot federally protected birds and then way down in some federal law it might have been determined that eastern harlis are what is found in iowa. Just because it isn't in the regs means nothing if you have one when checked.

Once in a blue moon there is a harli seen in SD. I think we are considered a western population state but I wouldn't want to test that. I might have to contact the state and see what they say.

Tim
 
Dave..the EASTERN population fo Harlequins is "totally protected" as in NO HARVEST ALLOWED ANYWHERE....thats specified in the regulations of any state where the birds might be expected to occur......

the problem is that you'd never know which population it was from.....and "there" as they say...."lies the rub".....
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So Steve,

When you shoot a Harlie in your state how do you determine whether the bird you are about to shoot is a Eastern Harlie and therefore a protected bird?
 
Mark W:

I shot (2) black (common) scoters on Lake Franscis near Delta Marsh last October. Next stop would have been Minnesota.

Jeff Churan
 
dave,

For the most part, populations are based upon band recoveries. ALMOST (I haven't checked recovery distributions) ALL Pacific Harelquins are western. I doubt there are enough recoveries to assign Iowa birds to any populations, that would have to be DNA. Because the birds are confiscated, DNA comparisons could be made. I wouldn't want to test shooting a Listed Species just because they weren't in the regs.

Clint
 
You absolutely can shoot 6 harlis or common eiders in Iowa.. if they came in...
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.... I wouldn't worry about that one. Kind of like me worrying (at my age) about "an erection lasting more than four hours."
 
As to the above comments on eastern harlies. I absolutely saw a prime drake on Lake Ponchatrain in New Orleans about 5 years ago. It was a very cold febuary morning and I was walking a rock jetty fishing the lake. He popped out from between two rocks where he was prying off bivalves. He was at about 10 yards and only flew about 10 yards. I have shot harlis in AK, so yes I'm sure on the idea. Would have been an absolutely amazing bird to take in LA.

Steve, what is the deal with Mandarins/ Do people really take non-escapees in the US?
 
I didn't add any species that are present but protected....regardless of their earlier, or hoped for, status....
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Might want to strike trumpeter swan and Gunnison sage grouse if it's a "huntable" list. Lumpers and Splitters, oh my...
 
covered the ommission of Northern Eider...M.m.borealis....it a sub-species and as I said...I have added only FULL Species.....if I had added recognized sub-species the list would have been considerably more addended....

Steve
 
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But how is one supposed to know which birds on the Federal list if they are not on my local regulations? Being fairly new at the this, I didn't even think of looking up birds that were on the Federal list that aren't posted in my State regs. My hunting party did scratch one scooter this year on Lake Michigan, should have had two. I also read on another site that there we some immature harli's taken on Winnebago which is a pretty large lake here in WI
 
at least as of this year there were areas where the Gunnison Sage Grouse was legally shootable.....lumpers vs splitters aside it is a FULL SPECIES.....Centrocerus minimus.....been that way for 10 years.....right or wrong its still a full species and belongs on any list of "game birds"...

I left off the "recognized sub-species" of Ruffed Grouse and Sharptailed Grouse even though many "collectors target them for collections...

Trumpeter Swans are "legally" shot every year in Nevada where they occur together on huntable areas.....the USFWS and the State "request" that idnetification be made and that Trumpeters not be shot, but if one is taken there is no citation issued...

Steve
 
Okay, you got me on the incidental take clause re: trumpeters. Guilty.

However, I'll have to call "nuh-uhhhh" on the Gunnison SG. If you trust the literature, their current distribution is now limited to extreme SE Utah and and SW Colorado. There is limited sage grouse hunting allowed in each state but outside of the areas defined as Gunny habitat. If you flush one in Iowa I think you're okay to add it to the pot.

You been out for any other razor clammin' events so far? I'm thinking I'll hit the one at the end of Feb.
 
and remove the Gunnison Sage Grouse from the list...thanks for the information....

I'm still a Razor Clam virgin...heck don't even own a clampoon or a clam gun...if you make it out in Feb. I'll expect a lesson...prepared to pay for same in Mack and Jacks Alaskan Amber.....

Steve
 
Wait a couple of years and you might have to strike the regular old western sage grouse (Centrocercus urophasianus phaios) off the list....there is potential for listing as certain groups are beating the drums...and have been for 6-7 years...and I don't think they will back off attemtping to get the sage grouse listed no matter what biological opinion state agencies may write..the pressure on the USFW will increase.

Matt
 
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