Chisel and gouge care,& quality rasps?

Brandon Yuchasz

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Today was another new day for me as far as decoy carving goes. I started to develop my own paterns for a gunning Lesser Scaup and also started to carve it out of cedar for the body up to this point its all been cork. My tool selection is still limited and still borrow time on a band saw but I was able to hack out a body and start work on it today Hours later I have the body roughed out. I am not a fan of power carving and would like to stay away from it if at all possible. So that got me thinking I purchased some beter chisels and gouges but I have no idea how to keep an edge on them. Can someone fill me in?

As for rasps? Are there any higher quality items out there I dont know about that will make shorter work of roughing out a cedar body?


Thanks everyone for the feedback thats what I love about this site.
 
The type of gouge and how you take care of it will depend on what you are using it for. For most stuff on the outside of the bird, Flexcut works well and get a powerstrop when you buy them and you'll be able to keep the razor sharp easily.

Rasps, Nicholson makes some good ones. I use two

First one I use is pictured below. I don't know it's model number, but it's pretty common. I see this same on in hardware stores often I use this for my heavy rasping.

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I follow it with a model 49. It leaves a nicer finish than the one above and it's profile fits in places pretty well.

That being said, I will never buy another one. I always liked my Nicholson stuff, and was pretty loyal to them being made here and all. In return, between the last two Model 49's I bought, the moved the factory to Brazil. I'm looking for a company that makes them here still.

By the way, Have you looked into using a hatchet and a spokeshave?
 
Brandon, There are two ways I sharpen chisels. One, on a older chisel that probaly had not been sharpen in a while. Make sure the back side is perfectly flat. I will use a wet stone or oil stone to flatten it. The other side with the bevel, I will flatten that also. Sometimes the bevel side on a older chisel will have a double bevel. I remove that. I use a jig to hold the angle on the bevel side. It is not necessary just easier. Once both sides are perfectly flat I take a piece of glass that is four or five inches wide ten inches long. The one I use was from some shelving. It is fairly thick. Any piece of glass will work but be sure to back it up with a flat board so it does not break. On the glass I place a wet dry sand paper. I might start out with a two hundred grit paper and get any scratches out and work down to four hundred grit and then a eight hundred. At this point the chisel shines like a mirror and has a very sharp edge.This edge is easy to maintain with the glass and wet dry paper. Another way to maintain the edge is with a leather strap like the barbers use to do.

With a new chisel Just the glass and wet dry paper. I always sharpen a new chisel.

Gouges, Here I don't use a jig but by hand maintain the bevel. On the inside a piece of leather wrap around a dowel drawing it towards the cutting edge.

Once your chisels are sharp have tray to put them in that doesn't allow them to fall on the floor or bang into one another. Making a tray is another nice project. Some I have seen are the storage for the chisel and have covers and are made in such a way that the chisels cant bang into one another when they are transported. The simplest is a stick with notches every two inches apart for on the work bench. There is nothing more fustrating than having a sharp chisel fall on the floor and having to start all over again. %&*!%
 
Sorry Phil. That's all I've got. Let us know if you find anything. What I do know about sharpening gouges I've learned from Rutgers. Maybe he'll pipe up on this topic?
 
Guys thanks so much for all the input.

I looked all over town today for a heavy rasp and spokeshave. Unfortunatly after three different hardware stores I was still out of luck. Rural America makes for nice living but its hard to find things sometimes.

On a hint from a friend I went into an antique store for the spokeshave. It was definatly not a yuppie version I was glad to see. He sent me downstairs to the tool area and it was a mess to dig through with no spokeshave. I did find a really old heavy rasp though. Not the stype I was looking for but for 3.00 I think its going to work for rough work. I do plan to order a #49 as I have heard good things about them from more then one of you.


That video and the other feedback on the chisels was great thanks everyone. I am going to use my wet stone for now but build a jig and setup like the video showed. Right now they are very dull. I hope the new (used) ones are in better shape. I suspect they will be since they were owned by another carver.


If anyone had any additional info on sharpening the gouges I am all ears. Also if anyone has a make and model really heavy rasp they like I would still consider ordering one online if I can find one with good reviews. Looking for something to really hog the wood off.

Rutgers,
I am considering the hatchet and spokeshave I like the tradition of it thats why I was looking today. Can you recomend a good spokeshave that wont break the bank?
 
Talk to the farriers (horseshoers) in your area. They make a rasp for aluminum shoes that's big, 1/2 round, and leaves a suprisingly smooth cut for the amount of wood it removes. I use mine on gunstock wood, which is harder than decoy wood, so it may be too hungry for basswood.
Bench grinders and spokeshaves turn up frequently at garage sales and flea markets. Watch it with grinders, most aren't 1750 rpm, which is better for grinding tool steel, a lower risk of burning the steel.
Only use it to grind the bevel, the flat side has to be done as others have described, and keep a container of water handy to keep the steel cool. I try to keep my index finger on the same part of the tool throughout the grind, it buts up against the tool rest, so I have a referance point to maintain the bevel. I can usually grind to a sharp edge without "burning" the steel, but it's better to be carefull and stop short, and spend more time at the stone to complete the bevel. I usually grind a longer bevel than what I hone at, so I don't have to remove as much metal when honing.
Don't stop working the bevel side until you feel a wire edge roll up on the flat side, this is the steel that's so thin it rolls up instead of standing up to the grinding pressure. Now lay a chisel flat on the finest stone you have, and abrade this side until the wire edge bends the other way. Work the bevel on a finer stone until the wire bends back the other way, reflaten the face side, and switch to finer stone on the bevel and repeat. With gouges, the flat side is worked with a slipstone.
The wire edge gets smaller as you use finer grit stones, and with less pressure,and is harder to feel as it gets smaller. You eventually remove it alltogether by buffing or stropping. You should now have a mirror finish on your bevel, and hopefully that in the face side too. High quality chisels and gouges have harder steel, and this pesky wire edge is much smaller since the hard steel resists bending better. It also usually stands up to abrasion longer so it stays sharp longer, and can be beveled to a sharper angle than cheap steel.
If you've "burned" the steel on the grinder, ie it turned blue from the heat, you've removed the temper of the steel and it's soft. This soft steel will have a horrendus wire edge roll up when honing, and just keeps bending back and forth, without ever getting sharp. It'll eventually break off, and feel sharp, but leaves a ragged cut, and abrades quickly to a dull edge.
So DON'T BURN YOUR STEEL! Having said that, when you do burn it, anyone using a grinder does at some point in their life, you'll have to grind back past the blue part, or retemper the tool. I do this by aiming the tool strait at the axle of the grinding wheel, ditto for reforming a tool with a chipped edge. This leaves a bright, flat spot, that's easy to see when reforming the bevel.
I use soft and then hard arkansas stones and slips on my gouges and chisels. I use japanese waterstones on plane blades, since they're easier to flaten. The jap stones are 800, 1200, and 6000 grit, these grit numbers don't correspond with american grit numbers. I strop with a piece of leather glued to a stick, with rouge rubbed on it.
 
Thanks Matt,

That big 3$ rasp got a try tonight and its working well on the cedar body i was working. I do have a strop and compound for my carving knives and used it on a chisel tonight with fairly good results. I will see what condition the used ones I purchased come in at and go from there on getting them into shape.

The second try at this lesser patern is turning out a lot more like a scaup.
 
One thing I'll add is that in any sharpening discussion there is a disproportionate amount of talk about heavy grinding and honing, which are important aspects of a total sharpening package, but you have to remember that a well cared for edge needs nothing other than stropping 99% of the time. You probably know this but, if you don't over dull your tool a hit on the strop will keep your fine used tools sharp until you blunt them or over strop.

I second the recommendations for a powerstrop, I love mine and you can get your tools as sharp as possible with one in seconds. For my around the house general woodworking chisels that I use for home improvements like installing locksets where the chisels often get dinged... my routine is to re-grind after damage like hitting a nail or dropping on concrete at 80 grit on a belt sander and then power strop, that is it and they have a wonderful edge. For carving tools that I have to do work on the edge I use stones, but I've wanted to get set up with Pete's method for quite some time, and then hit with a power strop.

 
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Well Tod,

I use a mixture of things.

Grind with good old cheapo stones on the old used grinder if they are really bad, and then use my Arkansas stones to clean up, sometimes I do the Scary Sharp system deal like Pete mentions on plate glass with sand paper, but for the most part I just simply use a strop with some honing compound on it. I try like you mention to not let them get overly dull in the first place.

Guess it all depends on how bad the blade is, what size the knife, gouge, chisel, or plane blade is to what system I use. I also mix them based on either laziness or mood.

For some of the gouges I take a block of wood, usually soft maple or poplar and then make the inside profile and then flip it over for the outside. Making my own "slipstone" so to speak. Use honing compound and strop it with that.

all of this is very effective and cheaper than any power strop or Tormek or knock off brand. Many ways to do things, just depends on your time, money and desired effort that day.
 
Well Tod,

I use a mixture of things.

Grind with good old cheapo stones on the old used grinder if they are really bad, and then use my Arkansas stones to clean up, sometimes I do the Scary Sharp system deal like Pete mentions on plate glass with sand paper, but for the most part I just simply use a strop with some honing compound on it. I try like you mention to not let them get overly dull in the first place.

Guess it all depends on how bad the blade is, what size the knife, gouge, chisel, or plane blade is to what system I use. I also mix them based on either laziness or mood.

For some of the gouges I take a block of wood, usually soft maple or poplar and then make the inside profile and then flip it over for the outside. Making my own "slipstone" so to speak. Use honing compound and strop it with that.

all of this is very effective and cheaper than any power strop or Tormek or knock off brand. Many ways to do things, just depends on your time, money and desired effort that day.


So you don't use the paper wheels you linked to, I was wondering how they work.

I like the traditional feel of a leather strop with compound, but I'll never in my life spend the time stropping a blade compared to using a power strop that takes seconds for the same result.
 
I'll add that for someone starting out that unless you make your own traditional leather strop out of leather you have already that the basic leather powerstrop is less expensive than buying a leather strop and compound at a woodworkers supply or any hardware store I've seen.
 
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I'll second the powerstrop. I don't even use a "manual" strop in the shop anymore. Just if I'm going somewhere to whittle. I even use it on my hatchet to get it REALLY sharp. Be careful not to use too much compound on it or it will gum up. Just enough to get a little color to the leather. Literally one second is enough. I'd like to add that the strop (any strop) is used to maintain and edge, not to put an edge on a dull tool. I run mine at 650 rpms.

I've been working on my own strop compound using various grits of silicom carbide suspended in a mixture of oils and waxes. Its coming along. This will be used to sharpen and "almost sharp" tool and finish using the white compound the powerstrop comes with.
 
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So you don't use the paper wheels you linked to, I was wondering how they work.

I like the traditional feel of a leather strop with compound, but I'll never in my life spend the time stropping a blade compared to using a power strop that takes seconds for the same result.
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I have an old patient of mine who is quite the turner. Does all sorts of vases and bowls etc. He turned me on to it, loves the system. He is part of a turning club and most of the guys there use it. I don't have a need to go that high tech. Most of my carving/wood butchering is decoys or odd jobs.

http://www.woodcraft.com/family.aspx?FamilyID=219

Woodcraft apparently thinks enough of this system to sell it and verbalize their rather robust approval. Yes I know they sell it, but they also sell power strops and their comments are not as glowing as those linked above.

That may help, maybe not. Seeing my patients work and hearing his report of this system is enough for me.

As I said, this was to spark conversation.

Brandon, hope any/all of this helps.
 
More food for thought,,,,,,,

As it happens I just last weekend attended a sharpening seminar at a wood carving show. The speaker was opposed to power stropping due to the tendency of folks to "over strop". He recommended using a leather strop on chisels and flat tools. For gouges he rubbed the stropping compound onto "cereal box" cardboard and used that surface as his stropping surface.

Just passing on what the speaker said during his seminar.
 
More food for thought,,,,,,,

As it happens I just last weekend attended a sharpening seminar at a wood carving show. The speaker was opposed to power stropping due to the tendency of folks to "over strop". He recommended using a leather strop on chisels and flat tools. For gouges he rubbed the stropping compound onto "cereal box" cardboard and used that surface as his stropping surface.

Just passing on what the speaker said during his seminar.


I guess you could do it at the breakfast with some coffee and a slice of melon:). Spending 15 minutes rubbing gouges on a cereal box doesn't do it for me, but maybe you could make your own compound out of butter and baking soda, since they would be handy like the cereal box :).

Wouldn't a better solution to over stropping when power stropping be to strop less? You could use a stone to touch up and and restrop an overstropped edge 12.345 times in the amount of time it would take to strop by hand once.

Maybe I'm missing something, but unless you are using moustache wax as a grooming aid and using tools with a treadle... Power is the way to go. Its is cheap and fast, has none of the downsides associated with power like noise or dust and leaves more time for your hobby (unless your hobby is sharpening tools, that is).
 
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