Classic Barnegat 10' Mystery Boat Pictures

ksherbine

ksherbine

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I finally found some pictures to the yet unnamed 10' boat we built.

As I said in a previous post, we originally built this boat 3-4 years ago for our own personal use with no intention of getting into the boat business. After we purchased the Classic Barnegat molds and went into business, this boat got put on the back burner, until this year at the boat ramps and lakes we got such a good response to it that we decided to go into production with it. I'm not sure how soon we'll have the molds and Coast Guard testing done, but it should be by next season.

I'm not sure of the exact weight of the boat, but it's well under 100#. One guy can easily drag it a long distance to the lake, and load it into a pickup.

One thing we're unsure about is the deck design. It currently has a South Bay style deck on it, but we're not sure of the "eye appeal" of it. Functionally, that design is an awesome design. It can be used as a layout boat with it's rounded deck, and there is a ton of storage and room under the deck (more than our 12' sneakbox). But we're not sure whether it should have more the look of a traditional sneakbox, kayak/poke boat, etc. Speak up and let me know your opinions.

The hull is based on a BBSB. It rows great and is extremely stable. The guys that have been "test-driving" our boat this late season had it out in 1 1/2' waves this past week and were amazed at how it handled them. We currently row it with a kayak paddle, but are also debating oarlocks.


Here's my partner Dave Enos with the 10'er
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Here's a view of the stern:

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Here's a closeup of him, the boat, a buffie, and oldsquaw:
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Here's another shot of the boat:

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And the final picture showing all 3 of us in all 3 boats. L-R Dave Enos in 10'er, me in 12'er, Dave Wright in 14'er:
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Let me know what you think. This is just a "first version" with lots of changes and improvements planned for the future.

Thanks,
Kirk
 
Kirk,

I think your on to something. I like the over all hull design. Now I'm just shy of 5'8" so judging from the pictures the deck hieght would be to tall for me to paddle comfortably. I would have to set on the deck which would make the center of gravity to high. Of course one could add more gear such as a seat. Are you going to offer a transom board. If so, again I think the deck will be to high. The high center of gravity would ease roll over. Been there...don't like it... :-)....From what you wrote you are considering the deck height anyway. I've been in a poke boat...don't want one.

Of course this is only my 2cents.

Take care,

Ed L.
 
Kirk,

Since you asked for "eye appeal" among other things, I guess I'll weigh in here. It "looks" cumbersome and uncomfortable. Dave has his arms up and elbows out. I don't know how long a guy could paddle in that position. Also seems like it rides really high in the water. Doesn't give the appearance of stability. Photos can be deceiving though. I'm interested to read what other impressions are.

Rick
 
Kirk, It looks pretty good to me. Maybe you could flatten out the fore and aft decks on the very top (still leaving the overall shape the same). This may allow for decoy transport on the deck and give you a better platform for kneeling and such. Good Luck with it, Kevin
 
Kirk, I think overall it would fit me better if the deck was flat like a sneak box. I am taller than ed but it looks a little tall for the guy in it. I think lowering the deck just a tad would accomodate more hunters. My main reason for a flat deck is entry/exiting, strapping decoy bags, and dog perch. I am really interested in that is under 100#.
 
An idea: take the 12 foot BBSB hull and sell an add-on... figure out a "Soft" blind arrangement that gets the owner/hunter the same effect as the 10 footer... bimini style attachments and a sewn and stitched camo cover that covers everything except the hunter. It can then be towed behind the tender.

Keep it light and easy to install/convert. Sell it for $500 and advertise it to the 100's who have already bought the 12 footer... and sell it in kit form to the guys with the Frickes, blah...

It's a product extension and since you guys are the only ones in that business (mass production of BBSB's) you'll corner the market.

Good luck
 
The egg shaped deck is goofy looking and wouldn't be functional for me. When I want to hunt out of a layout, i hunt out of a layout -- this boat would serve a quite different purpose and be better served by a flat deck on it with a decent-sized opening.

And a transom that can hold a 2 or 3 hp gas outboard.
 
Kirk,

Thanks for the pics. That would look AWSOME behind my TDB 14. I agree with a few others, I'd flatten it our a bit for eye appeal. But, you guys tested it, make what works, not what we think we want.

My interest is in a rowable layout. Not a stand alone hunting boat, so decoy storage isn't really my concern. I'd also like something that could be used in a sneak/scull style of hunting. I would like to see oar locks instead of a paddle.

I've been interested in one of your BBSB kits for this same purpose. This might fit the bill even better.

Good luck and keep us posted,
Gene
 
I for one would prefer the kayak paddle over oars. Having rowed several BBSB lately, I don't care for it. A longer (9) 2 piece paddle is in order. A 10 or 12 inck storage box to sit on would put the gunnel at a more friendly height for paddling and make it moveable for lower profile to gun from. I think it would be great for out of the way places when a half dozen dekes are all you need. A motor board as an option for a 2 or 3 hp motor.
 
im a little c onfused is this being marketed as a layout? if so id say its a little tall profile wise if its a do all little boat ie compitition for a marsh rat and aqua pod its a little cumbersome please let us know what you are intending it for too help us give an honest openion i like the opening myself but id probably power it trolling moter or somthing
 
One thing that I think should be a necessity on all boats like this is a lip around the cockpit opening that deflects water from coming in (shpaed something like an upside down "J". I have this on my small boat and it works great for keeping water from coming into the cockpit and getting me and my gear wet. I won't buy another small boat without this on it.

Also, the 100# weight is OK if this is going into a pick up truck bed. If it has to be placed onto a rooftop carrier, the design (cockpit in middle with side gunnels) makes the weight difficult to handle when putting on top of the vehicle. Handles on the outside edge of the boat solves this problem.

For what it is worth.

Mark W
 
I'll echo what the majority have said that the decking is pretty bulbous looking. Flat or less rounded decks similar to your other boats would be more appealing and possibly making the hull deeper on the other side to give a little more storage, and more importantly, foot room. I would keep the opening the same size so you have a functional front and back deck for a small rig of decoys if you were paddling or rowing out in it. My feeling on sneakboxes are the less holes and [smaller cockpit] the better. Less places for water to get in.

10ft sneakboxes are nothing new as layouts and more functional pond boxes and I think you are on to a good idea here. I would definitely think there would be a market out there.
 
Thanks for the opinions guys. That's why I posted it here.

To answer some questions....
What we're marketing it for (layout, etc.)... we're not really "marketing" it for anything. We built a boat a few years ago for our own purpose, got some good interest locally, and wanted to see what kind of other interest was out there. It's not like we sat down at some design table with a focus group and planned this out. You guys are my guinea pigs...
As far as the original purpose of the boat, I'd say it was for a multi-purpose boat (larger than poke, rougher water than 4 rivers, 1 man layout with no tender needed, etc.)

You're probably right about the deck being too high for comfortable paddling. Not that it causes trouble or anything... just that maybe a lower deck would be more comfortable. I never noticed it on the water, but looking at the pictures sure looks like that.

Thanks,
Kirk
 
Thinking out of the box, good !

The main thing I think of because the hull is based on a proven design "BBSB and the deck rounded is Safety . I think a real world test in warm water this boat could take 4 or 5 foot waves and survive, where a lot of boats we use for duck hunting would deep six. This is probably extreme but it could happen. Boat design fits between two extremes flat as a pizza pan and round as a fishing cork. Each has it advantages. All boats are a compromise.

The weight of 100 lb. or less is a plus. Oar locks optional. Sail rig optional. Motor mount optional. Hooks for decoy bags or grassing rails.

This boat if it has the stability I think it does should fill a nitch in the market place. No one boat does it all. I wouldn't flatten the decks or you have a another BBSB.
 
I could see it as a rough water layout boat. I could sure use it tomorrow with that "less than 100lbs" as we have snow banks to get over to get to open water (river).A trolling motor/2hp motor board would be needed and should be removeable for layout hunting. Oar locks should be standard and a coming is a must. Maybe a kayak coming with a lip and a spray skirt option. How much does Dave weigh? How wide is the boat? Got any pics out of water so I can see the shape? It doesn't look like it's tipping when Dave is stroking so it must be stable.
 
Hi Ken,
I think the boat is marketable and a great addition to your fleet!

Here are my peanut gallery thoughts:

The kayak paddle is the way to go, so i would lower the gunnels around the paddler, so the arms are lower (think elbow high).

foot blocks increase leverage for paddling.

Add a layout spray shield with lip that can be raised when hunting, and lowered when paddling.

Flatten the decks and make them strong enough to stand on.
Space for dog when used with a tender (rowing with dog not always easy)

grass rails or ability to attach vegetation.

I don't think a motor is the right app here, so i would not go out of the way to add motoring abilities, it should be a paddle/towable boat - you already have GREAT motor boats, so a 3rd choice for a motor boat is not what you need. Think about product segmentation.

$500 would be on par with mass market canoes, but come on, look at the price of layouts...that's the market.

Good luck

Dave Quane
 
I'll mirror what others have said: with a little bit lower deck and a motor mount, that would be one heck of a versatile little boat.
 
Re. the ten foot mystery boat

Great idea! I own a South Bay Boat and have loved it -- when my partner and I were in our twenties and skinnier and more flexible, it was a good two man boat. Now, it's too small for the two of us, but I will not part with it because it has been a good workhouse for over 25 years and because it still works. I suspect a rig like yours would be a perfect tow-along boat for a second, or if you are with a youngster in the big boat, third full-size hunter. That works for my demographic -- fifty plus and getting stiffer by the year! Some thoughts: keep the weight down to where it could be easily manhandled into a pickup bed, or placed atop a primary boat and lashed down on the drive to the boat ramp. I agree with the guys who want a splash rail -- they work. A snap on canvas cover to keep the rain out on the trip to the ramp and keep vermin out when you have it stowed upside down under the deck in the backyard or wherever, and it would be sweet. I agree with an oarlock option, and would also like to see some flush tie-down points that would allow for strapping a bag of decoys across the front/rear, or quickly attaching an open-water spray skirt that would eliminate the shadow under the front end and allow it to function with an open water layout or snow/ice cloth cover. I would use it without an outboard, but a slide-in transom block would allow it to be used for shallow water fishing (aka reconning) in the off season, as well as giving the two boats a backup for that night when things just don't go well...my two cents. Good luck with the project, R T Brinn
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Thanks a lot for the input guys. That's why I love this site so much!

The boat is a VERY rough draft and I know there's a lot of work to do yet. We're definitely dropping the deck down some, but I don't think we're going to make it quite as flat as our BBSB. Like Wis Boz said, there's already a lot of others like that out there. It will probably be somewhat of a cross between the BBSB and where it is now.

I'll let you guys know where we go from here. Right now we're building BBSB's for the next 2 months, so it will be a while until we get back to this.

Thanks
Kirk
 
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