Devlin Scaup 18

The TDB 17 is a niceboat. But if you want to build a boat(and spend a LOT less money) Turn a scaup/Cackler/Snowgoose in to a TDB. That is what I did with my 20' Honker. I am sure every one has seen these pictures.. but....

BTW- I don't understand why you wouldn't want a spash well rather than have a wave over the stern dump ALOT of water into the hull...

The top of my cockpit is 31" off the floor, but you can make it whatever height you want it... The TDB 14 is about 25"

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The best design mod in a BIG boat, no question.
 
Wendell that's a good idea. Todd, thanks for the offer. I would like to look at it and maybe go for a ride in spring. I was hoping to start building in March or so but I may need to push that back. I'm in S+S I'll pm my number maybe we can talk. This really has been an awesome discussion.
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Come by today, you can look at the boat and then go up on the roof adn chip ice.
 
The Scaup 18 does have a splash well in front of the motor. It doesnt have a motor well. Ive already talked to one of the guys at Devlin about modifying this somewhat. Because I plan to mount motor on a jack plate I don't need to have the splash well deck to come down low on the transom. This would keep less water from potentially breaking over the stern.
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Sorry, I misread your post..... I was thinking splashwell
 
Jason,

I owe you an apology... I read the post too fast this AM as my wife and my kids were hollering at me to get off the computer... and get in the car...

Anyway, you are building the Scaup 18....... ok, now I get it... whole different boat. Fortunately, I've seen the only Scaup 18 in existence up close... it is being built here in RI by the Baggessens... great guys and I will guarantee you that you'll get fabulous advice from those guys... on the boat design, etc... they know what they are doing. They built a Scaup 16 years ago to great success. The two of them are reall "Baymen" and know more about boating coastal New England on their little fingers... you get the point.

Anyway... they built (I don't know if it is lauched) the Scaup 18, it is a bruiser... you could hunt 10 guys...; )

Anyway... I am sorry, my Snowgoose is loads different than the Scaup 18... I haven't been on Sam's site for 2 years... I'll have to check it out...

BTW, Sam will refund money on plans, i.e. if you decide to buy boat B, he'll swap it out at cost... he's very fair that way.

Good luck and let us know how you make out. BTW, def. go to Tod's and check out his boat, it's one of the best ever built on this site.

Andrew
 
Jason,

I owe you an apology... I read the post too fast this AM as my wife and my kids were hollering at me to get off the computer... and get in the car...

Anyway, you are building the Scaup 18....... ok, now I get it... whole different boat. Fortunately, I've seen the only Scaup 18 in existence up close... it is being built here in RI by the Baggessens... great guys and I will guarantee you that you'll get fabulous advice from those guys... on the boat design, etc... they know what they are doing. They built a Scaup 16 years ago to great success. The two of them are reall "Baymen" and know more about boating coastal New England on their little fingers... you get the point.

Anyway... they built (I don't know if it is lauched) the Scaup 18, it is a bruiser... you could hunt 10 guys...; )

Anyway... I am sorry, my Snowgoose is loads different than the Scaup 18... I haven't been on Sam's site for 2 years... I'll have to check it out...

BTW, Sam will refund money on plans, i.e. if you decide to buy boat B, he'll swap it out at cost... he's very fair that way.

Good luck and let us know how you make out. BTW, def. go to Tod's and check out his boat, it's one of the best ever built on this site.

Andrew
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Neil's aluminum Scaup is 21', I don't know with he did to get 16 to 21, (just scale up a 16 ?). I don't know if an 18 Scaup has been built, not here. There are no pictures on Sam's site and I can't find the duckboat comparison chart to see if it is on it, so I have no idea if the 18 scaup is a % increase on the 16 scaup or a redesign.
 
21 ??? Jeez... I'm all screwed up... I think I'll stick with posting on the Alzheimer's site... thanks Tod.

The thing is a monster.... the width is incredible... I saw it when the hull was formed... do you know if it has launched?

It'll be interesting to see what they hung off the back.
 
Tod/Andrew
Thanks for the feed back. Here's what I know so far. I was planning on building the 16'. I saw on Sam's site mention of an 18 but no photos. Actually there are photos... of Peterson's 16. So I emailed Sam and inquired. Apparently he has sold a couple of sets of plans but no one has provided any photos of a build. He thinks someone was going to build the boat in aluminum. But has never heard back.

The differences are substantial. The 18 is 18'-6 3/4" overall with about a 7'-5" beam. There is 6' of bow deck on it. The cockpit is just shy of 9'-6"x 4'-6". Structurally is an animal. A lot of 3/4" plywood on this boat. This boat is supposed to be very very stable.

I hear everyone's concerns with how low these boats are and it's got me thinking. With the sole plate about 6" above the bottom at CL there is not a lot of cover on it. It's quite the conundrum.

The engineer wheels have been turning from all the comments here. I'm invisioning a smoke tinted retractable lexan wind shield at the front of the cockpit.
 
Tod/Andrew
Thanks for the feed back. Here's what I know so far. I was planning on building the 16'. I saw on Sam's site mention of an 18 but no photos. Actually there are photos... of Peterson's 16. So I emailed Sam and inquired. Apparently he has sold a couple of sets of plans but no one has provided any photos of a build. He thinks someone was going to build the boat in aluminum. But has never heard back.

The differences are substantial. The 18 is 18'-6 3/4" overall with about a 7'-5" beam. There is 6' of bow deck on it. The cockpit is just shy of 9'-6"x 4'-6". Structurally is an animal. A lot of 3/4" plywood on this boat. This boat is supposed to be very very stable.

I hear everyone's concerns with how low these boats are and it's got me thinking. With the sole plate about 6" above the bottom at CL there is not a lot of cover on it. It's quite the conundrum.

The engineer wheels have been turning from all the comments here. I'm invisioning a smoke tinted retractable lexan wind shield at the front of the cockpit.
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You should talk to Eric P or Eric B about the Scaup and see a couple similar boats. Had I not seen a BBII and a Cackler before I built I probably would not have chosen what I did.

What does Sam have 3/4" spec'd for on the boat other than bulkheads and transom?

T
 
Hi Tod,
I did contact E. Peterson and discusses his boat and his thoughts. At that time I was planning to build the same boat as his. He still thinks the 16 was one of the best boats he's ever had.

Ok - 3/4" ply. The boat has 4 bulkheads plus the 2 transoms. Also there are 3 longitudinals the run almost the length of the boat. The bulkheads interlock with the longitudinals and all of this gets filleted. The sole plate is 3/4 also. The longitudinals are what raises the sole plate up for the self baling design.
 
Phil
If I were to chose another design it would probably e the honker.
From what I can tell the honker has more curvature/rise in the bottom as is approaches the bow. The Scaup 18 is definitely Scaup shaped just beefier and bigger. The 6' bow deck seems huge which I like. That's a lot of storage underneath and plenty of room to work a dog off of.
 
Hi,
I just wanted to thank everyone for contributing to this thread. The scarf and boat pics are great. I was planning on a complicated scarfing jig. But after looking at your photos and reading your posts I will just get after it like you did when it comes time for me to build. Thanks again.
 
Jason,
I am assuming that you saw Neil B's post but if you did not this has a few pictures of his AL build out. It is a SICK job and is one heck of a project. It reminds me of the best about a flats boat if this length with the plate AL to handle the issue of wanting to put her on the beach in NE where the edge is always round or not so round granite of some form.

http://duckboats.net/cgi-bin/forum/...view=forum_view_collapsed;;page=unread#unread

I am assuming you are still thinking an 18 foot scaup.

This is not the same category or even the same ball park as a 16.
 
Bob,
I did see the pics. That is one he'll of a boat. This is the idea I was going for. And the analogy of the FL flats/bay boat is exactly where I got the jack plate (and maybe trims tabs/ power pole too) idea. I do want a little more freeboard and if I go forward with the project may raise the sides, decks, and combing to get 20-24" above the sole. The plans call for about 15". That's not much. That AL looks really wide when it's standing up.
 
If you are going to build an 18 foot boat you should see if you can see that one. I would contact Neil. It may just be the best tank of gas you buy.
Seeing is a lot better than guessing looking at the net.

If you can get to see todd's that would help too. Diff. boats and materials but each has its use.

Like I said the 18 is a big project and I would want to have one to see in the flesh before I started.

That is a lot of volume in the hull.
 
If you are going to build an 18 foot boat you should see if you can see that one. I would contact Neil. It may just be the best tank of gas you buy.
Seeing is a lot better than guessing looking at the net.

If you can get to see todd's that would help too. Diff. boats and materials but each has its use.

Like I said the 18 is a big project and I would want to have one to see in the flesh before I started.

That is a lot of volume in the hull.
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Neil's boat is 21.
 
Thanks Todd,
I never made that clear. But it is a bigger version of the original and the scale would help to show the advantages of up sizing. If I was building I would try to find a 16 too that I could see. Always helps to have a real visual to plan from.
Mock ups havent been mentioned either.
Most ideas here could easily be tested for size with cheap luan and a little yankee creativity.
Bigger custom builders do test checks with quickly built disposable stuff like cardboard even. Build the cockpit and hunt it in the garage!
A 1inch scale model can help as well.

I had the good luck this season to swing by a ramp where an early Sam Built cackler and a newer local built BBII or III were both taking out together. That is as good as it gets for a comparison. But not always possible.
 
Tod/Bob

Neil and I did trade a few PM's and he sent some pics. The boat is impressive. It is almost the exact direction I was thinking of. I noticed he has a 150 on his 21' boat. This has me concerned. I was planning on staying with a tiller. Sam's plans show a 50hp on the boat. I questioned that when I spoke to him. The seams substantially underpowered. I was planning on a 70 but I wander if that is enough for the 18 footer. Bigger than 70 I'm not sure a tiller is going to work. Let the debate begin. Thanks guys.
 
Yamaha makes a 115 tiller..... :)

I have a 2 stroke 60 Yamaha on my 20' Honker. It optimal conditions... I can get 32 mph... It is more than enough motor in in rough seas...... For whatever that is worth ...
 
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