How was everyone dealing with this virus scare?

Eric Patterson said:
Tod

No problem. I se zero stigma in reporting to anyone if I or a family member gets it. It's not VD :)

Eric
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I didn?t even think of the irony when I posted that :j
 
Patrick,
I would say that Parker is ready to take on his 1st Canada goose. Have fun training him. Best of luck.
Al
 
Eric, those are CDC generated U.S. estimates for global deaths.

Weird way to look at the mutation rate data is tied to the USA Today article author's comments near the end of the piece on SARS, another coronavirus zoonotic that jumped to infect humans. Virus particles are just rna packed in a capsule to minimize drying-out and environmental exposure driven lysis. They attach to cell membranes, insert their rna into the cell and high-jack the cell's replication mechanism to make viurs particles until the cell is so full it undergoes lysis, releasing these daughter virus cells to repeat the process. For virus strains that don't exhibit marked mutation rates, it is largely because the main strain lines can replicate themselves so efficiently that most of the mutations that do arise are outcompeted, dying-out as a proportion of the total population.

Look up cytokine storm. Many of the infected patients are experiencing this hyper-immune response. This often is the case with zoonotic virus particles. Human immune systems have not "seen" them, predisposing them to over-react, particularly in patients with chronic disease states that are characterized by hyper immune system responses.
 
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sorry, but the "Times" has developed a pattern of false or misleading anti Trump reporting which they have had to walk back over the past year or two, so I would take anything they print with a large dose of salt


this stuff is scary enough without the partisan angles

and every news channel is digging deep to find anyone that can call themselves a doctor to get in front of the camera

this is in some ways unlike others we have seen, but to me it seems most of the forecasts fall into the accuracy of the weather forecast

IMHO
 
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RLLigman said:
We desperately need a chief executive that is capable and willing to engage in some level of introspection and frank honesty; instead of consistently blaming others (GM and Ford make cars, how are cars even slightly related to ventilators in function and design? Consequently, development and ramp-up of production requires first finding a suitable partner and facility, prior massive and time consuming ramp-up. Now, contrast that against Dyson's efforts, a company with electric motor supply sources, air movement and flow directing engineering, circuitry and wiring sources and panels established, etc Stable genius? Hardly!), nearly a month into a global pandemic and Defense Procurement Act is finally invoked.
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Hi, I am a Manufacturing Engineer for GM (#IworkforGM). I can tell you that GM is aggressively moving forward with production of Vents and Masks. People need to understand that the Big 3 are experts at bringing product to market quickly. We employ some of the greatest thinking minds for this in the world. I am very proud of my company's aggressiveness and involvement in helping recovery and protecting our health care workers of the people effected in the coming months.

CW
 


chris whitney said:
RLLigman said:
We desperately need a chief executive that is capable and willing to engage in some level of introspection and frank honesty; instead of consistently blaming others (GM and Ford make cars, how are cars even slightly related to ventilators in function and design? Consequently, development and ramp-up of production requires first finding a suitable partner and facility, prior massive and time consuming ramp-up. Now, contrast that against Dyson's efforts, a company with electric motor supply sources, air movement and flow directing engineering, circuitry and wiring sources and panels established, etc Stable genius? Hardly!), nearly a month into a global pandemic and Defense Procurement Act is finally invoked.
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Hi, I am a Manufacturing Engineer for GM (#IworkforGM). I can tell you that GM is aggressively moving forward with production of Vents and Masks. People need to understand that the Big 3 are experts at bringing product to market quickly. We employ some of the greatest thinking minds for this in the world. I am very proud of my company's aggressiveness and involvement in helping recovery and protecting our health care workers of the people effected in the coming months.

CW
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My comments were a defense, not a criticism of the auto industry's efforts.
 


Rick L said:
sorry, but the "Times" has developed a pattern of false or misleading anti Trump reporting which they have had to walk back over the past year or two, so I would take anything they print with a large dose of salt


this stuff is scary enough without the partisan angles

and every news channel is digging deep to find anyone that can call themselves a doctor to get in front of the camera

this is in some ways unlike others we have seen, but to me it seems most of the forecasts fall into the accuracy of the weather forecast

IMHO
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View attachment Media-Bias-Chart_Version-3_1_Watermark-min.jpg Actually, weather forecasts within 24 hours into the future are quite accurate.

RickL, I am not very keen on sitting complacently in a state in full lock-down when my governor is singled-out for insult and denial of support by the chief executive, directly, when she is trying to secure PPEs and airway maintenance and flow equipment for management of over 5,000 documented infections. Particularly when these inactions, disregard of evidence of risk, and refusal to act on documented projections of shortfalls of supplies to healthcare workers and supply chain deficiencies that put them at risk, and KILL Americans, my neighbors, friends, and countrymen.

Thanks for your opinion. Note where the Times falls in the above figure. How odd that it is deemed a valid news source. Must be some Deep State thing...again.
 
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Posted by a fried and I couldn't agree more

Sick and Tired.
Luckily, for now, I'm neither. Not Physically. Not Emotionally. For those that are, my heart goes out to you although the statistics would say that not many of my "friends" are ill with COVID-19. What I am extremely sick and tired of is rational people, even some that are "friends", stoking the fire.
My life, as I'm sure many of you experience as well, see every angle of this equation. My Mom, healthy as a horse but statistically at risk, a daughter that is a rock star in the service industry temporarily out of work. Kids that are forced to forego what college was for me; a combination of fun and a bit of learning, for social distancing.
OK, I get it. We need some time to let things pass and these certain measures need to be taken. Get it. To those "friends" however, that try to politicize this, please unfriend me now.
The world I'm living in doesn't need those types of "friends"
 
So far it's life as normal. Under MN shelter at home, I'm an essential employee doing construction so no change for me. However the wife at home has managed to keep all three alive so far so that's a plus.
 
The United States has one fourth the population size, a better healthcare system, all the benefits of capitalism conveyed via a variety of industries populated by innovations and innovators, the U.S now has TWICE the number of documented infected Covid19 patients, while still lacking a centralized response to care, support and logistics, as well as standardized dispersal of need equipment to the States. If you find documentation of this reality offensive, you have far larger personal issues than you know.

The direct result of this inaction, denial, and miss-handling is elevated risk born by those providing direct care, nearly all of who are not easily replicated or replaced, as well as accelerated viral spread. Actions have consequences, inaction has greater consequences, in this instance, particularly when it originates in the executive office. I personally observed the actions of a " War President", actions that should remain fully fresh in the minds of most Americans in the days, and weeks following the terrorist attacks on New York, Washington DC, and the self-downing of the last plane, Flight 93, in Somerset, PA. on Sept. 11th 2001. I watched the full strength and weight of the Federal government of this country brought to bear on a quickly identified common enemy. If you need to be refreshed, read Gary Bernsten's, Jawbreaker.

MarkW I have a 94 year old mother in a senior living facility in southern Michigan west of Detroit, with type-II diabetes, one MI and three coronary stents, a brother in the same area who is 68, with type II diabetes with a 66 year old wife who is also at elevated risk via medical complications. I am 66, a two time cancer diagnosis survivor, with metabolic syndrome and a lupus diagnosis now hanging over my head, with an ancillary fused T-11/L-1 vertebrae, artificial knee, and soon to be fake hip. My wife is 59, an asthmatic who has mitral valve prolapse with a "redesigned" heart valve courtesy of Mayo's Rochester, Mn. A previous viral infection, as well as a myxomatous tumor found growing on the valve leaflet were repaired via back-to-back surgeries. She works in a Veterinary Clinic exempt from the mandatory lock-down. She had to notify her employer that she was taking a furlough due to her risk profile. Her boss is a devout "Trumpy" who still refers to our previous president as, "that N*@#$r". He has made a variety of threats in subsequent conversations, moving us to contact Governor Whitmer's office, who intervened. Gee, do you think there will be any repercussions when she eventually goes back to work? His rapid cycling biplolar spouse is the clinic manager... All I have heard as this pandemic has grown in severity is the Fox News version of risk... oddly one hundred and eighty degrees variant from the swill they pushed for over a month regarding both individual and national risk.

As Tip O'Neil stated, "all poitics is local". My state is recording new Covid-19 cases at a rate over 1,000 a day now. Wayne and Oakland county hospitals are full to capacity. My governor is on record stating that she has been notified by suppliers via direct conversation that they have been notified to not ship previously contracted and ordered supplies due to Adminstration intervention, increasing the risk to me, my loved ones, and friends.

MarkW,I would encourage you to return to your originally stated course of action in dealing with this pandemic!

Why do I feel qualified to comment? I have over twelve years experience and training in infectious disease management and prevention in-house at Merck, as well as via biannual didactics conducted mostly at Mayo's Rochester unit and St. Marys Hospital, but also at the University of Iowa's teaching hospital, and the University of Minnesota facility at Hennepin.
 
RL Ligmann,

I'm with Mark W.
OK, we get that you do not like the President. Please take your political rants to another site. I stop by DHBP and in particular, this thread, to see how everyone is coping. You gave us your credentials about why you feel qualified to comment. You might ask me then, what makes me feel that I am qualified to comment? I work as a health care provider and educator with 40 years experience in direct patient care in family medicine, emergency medicine, high acuity urgent care settings and in the military. My wife and daughter also work in front-line health care. We have vulnerable relatives.
So, I would ask you, respectfully, to please stop or take it somewhere else.
Thank you sir.
 
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OK...

I gotta vent, and share what was forced upon NY citizens.


BAN PLASTIC BAGS. (heart in the right place, not the brain)


Even after many studies, and anyone with a BRAIN knows reusable cloth and plastic bags are BOOGER BAGS that help spread virus, and lots of other not good things.


Well we are back to Plastic Bags now. DUH?!


One can only imagine how much money this fiasco cost, and how the money could have been used to upgrade hospitals in our "progressive state."

Just makes me shake my head, but it is in no way funny.

Will anyone stand up now and say. "We made a mistake". Very, very doubtful.


And YES our family and many others here do practice recycling, cuz it is the right thing to do.

I'm sure many of us remember being asked "paper or plastic?"

Made sense then, and makes sense now. NO?


VP
 
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