icing up decoys

Mark,

I was just being a bit silly with the klister....anyone who has waxed klister in spring snow conditions would be laughing knowing how nasty the stuff is.....hard to even get off your hands. Maybe you have done a bit of spring skiing.

And thanks for the info on the car wax....


Matt
 
Pete, The formula I was told was 1 oz. of beeswax to , I think, 1 pint of turpentine.

Never tried it though, figured paint touch up would be a bitch, did use a spray can of Thompson's water seal on some one time, can't recall if it made much of a difference,.. so it probably didn't, lol
 
I am wondering why anyone would to expose any of these chemicals to our waterways.....
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Or our waterways to these chemicals. Took the words right out of my mouth. When the decoys look like these it is time to call it a day.

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[font=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica]"I am wondering why anyone would to expose any of these chemicals to our waterways....."


Phil,

Never know, maybe we will have to have the decoys certified by the EPA and state Departments of Environmental Quality....as pollution free....or maybe we should got for an organic certification.....Many of the ducks we shoot here in Utah have high mercury ...so maybe we can get that problem solved along with a bit of turpentine....

Matt
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I am wondering why anyone would to expose any of these chemicals to our waterways.....
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Or our waterways to these chemicals. Took the words right out of my mouth. Yeah... that is what I meant. Matt/Barb.. I understand that this may be a fun post... no matter what the pollution of the areas that we hunt....every one of us should be doing everything we can to keep out additonal contaminants...
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I am wondering why anyone would to expose any of these chemicals to our waterways.....
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So, how do you get to your hunting spot? Hopefully it is by rowing or sail. God forbid it is with the aide of a two stroke. Is your hunting boat painted? Better not be wearing neoprenes as the chemicals used to make them are nasty and trace amounts remain in the neoprene that can get into the waer. Do you pick up all your shells AND the plastic waddding?

I understand the concern and share the same. However, some of what is mentioned to protect from icing are chemicals that will bond to the decoys and therefore not make it into the waterway. Some small amount of the the chemical (waxes) may slough off but the amount is minute. I can't speak for all the products being sold today but in the case of the 3M product, it is tested against so many different environmental regulations, and must pass all of them, that I wouldn't be too concerned about what may make it into the waterways.

Mark W

Mark W
 
[font=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica]"I am wondering why anyone would to expose any of these chemicals to our waterways....."

Seriously? Wow.
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I agree with Phil and Paul, as Sportsmen and Conservationists we should be trying to keep these chemicals out of our waterways.
 
I agree with Phil and Paul, as Sportsmen and Conservationists we should be trying to keep these chemicals out of our waterways.
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Most of the chemicals mentioned chemically form films or matrixed coatings - this is no different than the paint on your decoys or the paint on your boat. I agree on keeping chemicals out of the waterways but also understand that some are not bad at all and some are so regulated that they have been "OK'ed" by multiple agencies as being "safe" for the environment.

The motor use on the way to the hunt will put more bad stuff into the water (and air) in one trip than a coated decoy will during it's entire life. Let's get real about the hazards and dangers here.

Mark W
 
Mark, I understand....but lets be real... the car or truck that we drive to the lake or river... then the outboard... but putting diesel... vaseline... etc on decoys so they don't ice.. is simple additional pollution. I am 100 % for going back to the 1700's way of life..;.; but also all know that isn't going to happen...
 
Mark, Thanks for the reply.... You don't know how many shells you could be saving....decoys too... hee hee

We should be thinking about lead anchors in our waterways too...concrete or iron are better...Here in Wis industry has made vast improvements over the last forty years on what is allowable in waterways. What was dumped in our water ways earlier was scary. Behind one dam they did core samples as a result could tell all the chemicals that were dumped in the river. They found one layer of Arsenic four foot deep.... I use to swim that water... OH oh I am a dead man....

 
While we have made progress in water quality issues, much is left to be done.

What is disturbing to me is the amount of unknowns that are out there, for example endocrine disruptors that we didn't and don't realize are getting into the water. Your better half that uses birth control pills, or an estrogen supplement is most likey polluting the local water ways with endocrine disruptors.. Who would have thought 20 years ago that urine laced with hormones would cause hermaphrodite smallmouth in the Potomac River. Search the net about them it is a 1000 lbs gorilla in your garage. Many of us drink water that was treated upstream in some sewer treatment facility and who knows exactly what you are drinking.... Most treatment facilities concentrate on removing excess nutrieints and do not remove some very nasty stuff.

A good general site:
http://ublib.buffalo.edu/libraries/e-resources/ebooks/records/eel1291.html

Phil, what I said earlier was a bit tongue in cheek...but I do want to point out that while we all need to be careful about what we put into the water, we make choices that may or may not be beneficial as we are operating on insufficient information.

I do some water quality monitoring instrumentation for work (installs and programing) and find the subject very interesting and rife with misunderstandings from the professional to the layman (I don't understand it all myself, far from it).

So please no offense, it was meant as food for thought.

Matt
 
Mark, I understand....but lets be real... the car or truck that we drive to the lake or river... then the outboard... but putting diesel... vaseline... etc on decoys so they don't ice.. is simple additional pollution. I am 100 % for going back to the 1700's way of life..;.; but also all know that isn't going to happen...
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you are missing the whole point - these products, well some of the products mentioned form films - that is they chemically react and BOND to the surface being mentioned here. Just like the paint on your boat and decoys. It will not come off unless scraped - just like the paint on your decoys and boats.

I'm not trying to be an ass here or anything it is just that the pollution that is a concern shouldn't be. The testing required on some of these products to pass multiple regulations is astounding. Clean Water Act (these products go on boats), CARB, SCAQMD, just to name a couple on the West Coats alone fills notebooks with data proving the "safeness" of all chemicals in consumer products such as these. If these is a hint that the products are unsafe by what they are putting into the air, they are unsafe as to them ending up in the waters as well.

The amount of pollution put out by these decoy coatings would be a "tear in a salted sea" - insignificant. Let's worry about real pollution.

Mark W
 
Yep that works great thats what i do on my rig, Winshield wiper fluid in a spray bottle works wonders
 
Another decent explanation....this stuff is still largely an unknown as to the extent of the problem..and even what chemicals may or may not be responsible over time

http://biology.usgs.gov/contaminant/endocrine_disruption.html
 
What is disturbing to me is the amount of unknowns that are out there, for example endocrine disruptors that we didn't and don't realize are getting into the water.
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I agree with you on that one, no one has any idea what those chemicals may be doing or may due at higher levels, to all levels of the food chain.
The worst part is they appear to very persistent in the environment to boot.
 
Carl,,

Once you start looking at the research,,,then you say,,,,"Holy buckets of poop. What are we doing to ourselves?" and the short answer? We do not really know....we forget that we are part of the food chain, mostly comes from the big box stores doesn't it?...

Wally smart would never sell us "bad stuff" ..we trust em..

Makes one want to drink a big gulp of water from the lower Mississippi River a couple dozen times a day....We all be Guinea pigs.....

Matt
 
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