KS Gov Vetos Proposed Non-resident Waterfowler Restrictions

agree, why should a state be able to restrict NR hunting on state and federal waters. and it was being heavily pushed by just a hand full of hunters. if they want to limit NR's then go to a draw like SD.
 
KS has "guide" problems. Get rid of the guides, get rid of some of the problems. Another is the lack of public land. Yes, they have WIHA lands. Most of it I have been on isn't worth anything for wildlife and is just another subsidy for landowners. This isn't just a waterfowl issue there. I won a guided turkey hunt to east KS around 2014-2015. The guide was in his first year of guiding in KS after seemingly being ran out of another state. I spoke with him after season and he bragged that his outfit had took down over 200 turkey that first year. Over 50 of those were Jakes. He was just one guy with access to a handful of properties. There were lots more like him.

I do think that if you restrict OOSers, you gotta find state funds for management. I don't want my federal tax dollars being spent somewhere I cannot have the option of enjoying them. I have duck hunted places out there since 2008. OOSers may be causing over-crowding, but they aren't the ones causing the problems. OOSers aren't the ones filling the pits at CB with beer cans and twinkie wrappers. They just get blamed for it.
 
Steven Alexander said:
I do think that if you restrict OOSers, you gotta find state funds for management. I don't want my federal tax dollars being spent somewhere I cannot have the option of enjoying them. I have duck hunted places out there since 2008. OOSers may be causing over-crowding, but they aren't the ones causing the problems. OOSers aren't the ones filling the pits at CB with beer cans and twinkie wrappers. They just get blamed for it.
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My sentiments as well. If non-resident access is curtailed fed funds are forfeited.
 
Eric Patterson said:
www.ksn.com

Kansas hunting and fishing license bill fails to pass after veto, what that means

A bill to restore discounted hunting and fishing licenses to older adults in Kansas and make big changes for non-resident waterfowl hunters is dead in the water this year after it was vetoed by Gov…
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Yay!
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Sounds like the initial bill, as first introduced, was a fine example of taking care of their elderly population.
Unfortunately there were those who "tacked on" the restrictive measures, which the governor disagreed with. While I applaud the Governor's actions, it is unfortunate for those elderly citizens, which the bill (as introduced) was intended to benefit.
 
This kind of legislation is going to become more widespread, in a tit for tat between states. Unless and until the Feds put the brakes on funding for states that engage in this crap it's going to get worse. Maybe DJT Jr. will put the bug in his dad's ear, Jr. likes to hunt ducks among other things.
 
SJ Fairbank said:
This kind of legislation is going to become more widespread, in a tit for tat between states. Unless and until the Feds put the brakes on funding for states that engage in this crap it's going to get worse. Maybe DJT Jr. will put the bug in his dad's ear, Jr. likes to hunt ducks among other things.
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10-15 years ago I was thinking we were going to live through a golden age of hunting as the old timers aged out and new hunters failed to recruit. It is clear, however, that I bought into the 3R propaganda machine and the precipitous decline they foretold was a fable. Hunter numbers may be down some in some areas, but those that continue have more time to hunt and more money to spend and more technology at their disposal. Hunt quality is down as habitat loss collides with hunters who have more time and money to fight for the resource.

I honestly do not understand the nuance of who "owns" migratory animals. I know for a fact that the law is very clear that animals that aren't managed by the feds are held in trust by the states for the benefit of the residents of the state. The interpretation of what benefits the residents of the state varies, but includes selling licenses to non-residents at a higher premium to raise funds or limiting the number of non-residents in increase resident hunt quality. I'm 100% in Wyoming because the opportunity for non-residents to hunt big game has evaporated across the west due to too many people wanting too few tags. The ability to freelance out of state for ducks will follow suit.

There are crazy changes out there in how people hunt, it used to be a big deal to get a turkey grand slam, now the thing is the US Super Slam. Talk about increasing pressure.
 
Tod

Looking back the golden age in my lifetime was the mid 90s. The factors were (1) Water returned to the prairies and duck numbers exploded. (2) Hunter numbers nationwide were still low from the late 80s losses (small bag short season). (3) North Alabama hunter numbers were a fraction of what they've become. (4) Lake Guntersville had amazing millfoil coverage and little boat/hunter traffic. (5) Nearby TVA swamps were free of invasive vegetation and loaded with ducks. (6) A hunter had total freedom to move about seven days a week.

Just the opposite of what we have today.
 
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Tod

Looking back the golden age in my lifetime was the mid 90s. The factors were (1) Water returned to the prairies and duck numbers exploded. (2) Hunter numbers nationwide were still low from the late 80s losses (small bag short season). (3) North Alabama hunter numbers were a fraction of what they've become. (4) Lake Guntersville had amazing millfoil coverage and little boat/hunter traffic. (5) Nearby TVA swamps were free of invasive vegetation and loaded with ducks. (6) A hunter had total freedom to move about seven days a week.

Just the opposite of what we have today.
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Ability to hunt on your own terms is pretty key (and birds too :) ). I still hoping for a golden age of some sort, but I've had things pretty good, so I shouldn't complain.
 
"Golden Days" in Mobile, AL area was from 94-2003. Though hunter numbers went way up between 97-2000, there was plenty of birds and water to spread out the pressure. The number of gadwalls, ringnecks, greater and lesser scaup, and teal was simply amazing.
Then the hurricanes of 2004-05 and droughts of 2006-2007, killed back our grassbeds. Grass beds slowly came back but changes in migration patterns and winter climate meant the birds numbers did not. I still had some great seasons from 2010 - 2019, but nothing compared to 1997-2003.
Barring a move from Tampa to just about anywhere else, my duck hunting days are over. I still have about 6 dzn decoys (not the 13 I had before the move), my boat and guns. BUt they sit idle. Fishing year round has taken the place.
 
Carl

I was in Mobile in February and drove over the Mobile Bay causeway. I did not see one duck. I only saw a couple blind remnants. It looks like the ducks are gone along with the hunters. Back in the 80s there were signs of duck hunting everywhere. They are no more. I wonder if the upper delta is dead too.
 
Clinton John said:
Well there went Kansas hunters chances of kicking out some of the flat brims and fly by nite goose guides for their 25/26 seasons.
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I've made my share of rants about "flat brims" and insta-guides, but I don't think many of them are yuppies. The real yuppies from back in the 1980's and 1990's all got rich and are hunting private ranches and clubs that monopolize access to public waters and public waterfowl. That's one side of the shrinking opportunity spectrum, and the concentration of those of us who can't afford private access into fewer and fewer spots where the rest of us can hunt. (Whether we do it with a flatbrim, a Jones cap, grandpa's old tweed cap.)
 
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