Northeast British Lab Breeders

Michael B

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I'm starting to do some homework on breeders in the Northeast. Anyone have any recommendations on where to look for a british lab puppy? Heard anything about this breeder: http://www.emlabradors.com/aboutus.htm? I've always liked the looks of their dogs.

I just want a good pet and a good retriever from solid bloodlines. It doesn't have to come from parents that have won every competition on earth. I have no intention of getting into trials, I just want an obedient dog that can hunt down cripples and take some basic commands.

Thanks.

Mike
 
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Looked at the link.....
You may not want to trial your dog, but that's a line of dogs that appears to be strictly show. I wouldn't consider anything they're breeding if I wanted a dog to take to the field. You'll pay an arm and a leg for that AKC "Ch" title, and all it means is that your dog looks good according to SHOW standards. Unfortunately it won't be very useful to you in the field.
Don't be mislead by all the "If you don't want a hyper dog" B.S. Lots of show breeders think because they're couch-potato show dogs will retrieve a stick from the pond, they will make great hunters that are somehow more qualified to be family dogs--- It just ain't so.

Always, always, always look to field breeding. Check out the HRC website for links to breeders.
 
Mike I own a Genuin British Lab (Drakeshead Viv) And I must agree with the other Guys you must get a pup from working stock, buying a pup from show
strain and trying to train it for the feild will only break your hart plus you will be throwing good money away.
Eddie.
 
I have a 3 1/2 year old female from http://www.britishlabradors.com/ They're located in Wisconsin, but it was easy to arrange the flight in for the pup. I had the chance to fly out and meet the owners ahead of time. Very nice operation, nice people, great dogs. Tilly is a very trainable yet quiet Lab. She enjoys work, but she's not a pest. I highly recommend this kennel.
 
Thanks for the advice. I'll definitely refocus my search to strictly hunting dogs. This will be my first, so any additional advice on what to look for in a kennel would be much appreciated. I'll also look at kennels a bit further away, although it would be more convenient if they were within a 5-6 hour drive.
 
Mike,

When you re-focus yuor search you may want to look for a pup where both parents are Master Hunters, MH title at the end of their name. It shows the parents have desire and trainability. Buying a pup from a hunter would be good too! Looking for a breeder that claims to have "british" labs is just going to add to the price because of the name. All labs trace their ancestory to Britian. If you were to talk to some British folks you would find that they also have a split between show and working dogs.

With a little research you should be able to find a litter fairly colse to you in the next 6-10 months. You also want to make sure you find a litter where both parents have health clearances. Hips, elbows, eyes, and EIC and CNM as a minimum. These clearances don't guarentee a perfectly healthy pup but, they do put the odds in your favor.

There are numerous sites on the www to find litters listed. One where I know health clearances are required for litters to be listed is retrievertraining.net.

Have fun with your puppy search!

Tom
 
Happened across this on a retriever forum:
Copied from RTF:

"The 2008 National Obedience Champion was crowned at the AKC invitational today and it is a 4 year old male black lab- OTCH Count Tyler Show Me The Money UDX2 (FC AFC High Tech Ceo X FC AFC Countess Olenska MH) owned by Petra Ford from New Jersey, bred by John & Cindy Cavanaugh. 1st runner up was a labrador, as well. Congrats!!"
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Let this be a lesson to everyone that these American field bred Labs are hyper & not suitable for a sporting gentleman
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As further info FC AFC High Tech CEO (Gates) is a litermate to FC AFC Tiger McBunn, FC AFC M&M Buns of Steel, FC AFC White IV, FC AFC Doctor Feelgood VI, FC Seven Come Eleven V & several other QAA dogs - all field trial dogs of considerable note.
 
all field trial dogs of considerable note.

Bob,

Excellent point. Trainability tends to be something that is easily overlooked. When you consider what these FT dogs will do 3-400 yards from their handler it is no wonder what they can do 8 inches from their handler.

That said, it is unreasonalbe to expect a young dog or any sporting breed to sleep quietly on the porch for 10 months of the year and then be prepared to hunt for 2 months. That tends to be the impression some of the "british" lab proponents want to create.

Like the rest of life, you get out of a dog what you put in it.

Tom
 
To imply that a dog must NOT be hyper or a have a great demeanor, merely because it can be trained for obedience is a little confusing to me. Assuming that certain character traits that exist in many labs tracing their lines CLOSELY to a certain behavioral strain is merely an 'impression', is further confounding. I have one dog with no titles, that has more drive than I'll ever need, but that has been perfectly calm since 16weeks, and NEVER chewed up a thing and is the model of good behavior (whether under command or alone). I've had plenty of others, titled out the wazoo and trained out the wazoo that weren't worth the food I fed them when it came to being a good dog. They might have been a retrieving machine, and obedient as could be.....but their nature was a live wire or waiting for any sort of release command to go wild. Each dog is a fit to the owner, the family, the hunting situations, etc. I have found that far more labs with British field ancestry are, well, labs than some American bred 'superlabs', that are no longer labs (to me), but merely swimming, retrieving coon dogs or something...not fit to leave around the house alone or to interact with the world outside of hunting in any respectable way, but that will garner all sorts of awards for running stright through broken glass for a mark, instead of having the sense to go around.. While you can say things such as 'you get out what you put in', etc. and be partly correct, you also get out what was already put in, and you have to live with that, no matter what you can train the dog to do. My very best bird dogs and retrievers have always been the calmest, most sedate, and most people-oriented, and not the highly recommended balls-of-fire that get bragged on in magazines and videos. JMO, but I'm no field trialer or dog training 'pro', either. ;)
 
Mike I would just like to had my 2 pence in here if you dont mind I have been waterfowling now for 38years and I have never had a dog that I have not trained myself I would agree with Bamabill on a lot of the points on what he as said and I would to give 2 more points of advice, these are as follows
(1) ask to view the parents to see if they calm and not running around like idiots, if possible try and see them working.
(2) Look at the Litter and look for the nosiest pup and if possible have it checked out by a vet.
In my veiw dogs need to be trained 365days a year its a game to them and it keeps them on top form.
My dogs are trained with my Regimental motto,Airborn 2 para(ready for anything)
 
I totally agree with Bill and Eddie and others who have pointed out that just because certain retrievers are bred out of very successful working retriever lines, be they AKC Master Hunters, Field Championships or other sanctioned retriever sports, and though these dogs may run like their hair is on fire in the field, doesn't mean a thing about their manners around the house. I'm at work in my little log cabin office right now and both of my field trial dogs are asleep laying the floor beside my desk.

I knew a wonderful black Lab FC/AFC with hundreds of all age points, FC-AFC DB's Cracker of Clubmead "Ritz", I trained with him every day and watched him run and win many, many, many field trials. Ritz was infamous for being an absoluey wild, out of control beast on line. There was many a trial that he had won, hands down after picking up all the birds, and all he had to do was sit while on honor until the working dog left the line and he was released, but NO, he would break on the honor and be eliminated. I can't imagine how may points he would of had if he was halfway calm on line. But Ritz was an absolutely mellow, couch potato in the house, sleeping on the bed, barely lifting an eyelid when visitors came in. I really think field trial dogs get a bad rep based on how they run, not how they behave otherwise because those who have seen their incredible drive and anxious behavior on line just assume that carries over into other areas, when that doesn't necessarily follow.

Like others have said, observe the parents in both a working (training, hunting or trialing) situation and at home with the family. That will tell the whole story. Also you have to take a dog's age into consideration, a six month old pup may act like a knuckle head, but a two year old should be settled down. You can train manners into a pup with inherent drive and birdyness, but there is no way to train "drive" into a dog that lacks it. You just end up trying to make a dog do something he doesn't want to do, and thats frustrating for man and dog.

JMO, John
 
Kinda off the subject, and I don't mean to hijack, but poor ol' Tim (dixiebrit gundogs) lost a dam and a whole litter of pups last night. I haven't heard a cause, but knowing Tim, he's so torn up right now he won't even answer his phone.
 
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