Remington Hypersonic

[Clinton John]

Back in the day, I went through a lot of loads & shot sizes before figuring out my 390 and I love 3" 1 1/4 oz #3s.
Estate, Rio, Federal, all in that load, worked best. Stuck with it.

Mine loves the Kent 1 1/4 number 2 steel over everything else factory made.

 

[HenryHawthorne]

Henry, you are right though, I have friends who have been showing up with lighter and lighter guns year after year. 20's and 28's. I cant seem to make the leap though because of shell prices. If I was reloading, maybe, but prices for 12's are lots of times cheaper than these lighter shells. Just hard for me to make that leap and i dont even feel a shotgun recoil. Its just so second nature to set a lead and pull a trigger and see a tumble (most times). Maybe as I get older, but this big ol boy doesnt even feel the tap of the shotgun.

I still use my old 870 12g most of the time for duck hunting. I really wouldn't want a light gun eith today's heavy load - gun weight is a huge offset to recoil. And I dont mind a heavy gun if the only carrying it to/from boat/blind.

But, loading myself would open the door for reasonable loads and shooting my 16g... or for going lighter on walk-in shoots.

 

[William Reinicke]

I still use my old 870 12g most of the time for duck hunting. I really wouldn't want a light gun eith today's heavy load - gun weight is a huge offset to recoil. And I dont mind a heavy gun if the only carrying it to/from boat/blind.

But, loading myself would open the door for reasonable loads and shooting my 16g... or for going lighter on walk-in shoots.

Another reason I love my cheapo charles daly, super duper light and O/U just easy to carry anywhere. I dont worry about weight in the slightest as I just dont recognize recoil. The day I remember pulling the trigger on a shotgun, that will be the day I might think of changing things. that hasnt come yet, and hopefully doesnt ever. But you know that thing called age and bones getting more brittle with time. I pack enough cushion as well, so theres that.

 

[Jeff Reardon]

You know..... get them close enough with good decoys and good calling and lots of times I can shoot light dove steel loads and kill ducks and crane. Geese are a different story though. The more I hunt, the more im in love with the idea of getting birds in as close as possible. Killing really isnt the name of the game, as it once was, but the art of trickery is what I love in the waterfowl world. Im the WORST about saying, next swing, next swing.... ok next swing and then they dont like something and get out but I could of taken a shot 2-4 swings on the bird already.

Henry, you are right though, I have friends who have been showing up with lighter and lighter guns year after year. 20's and 28's. I cant seem to make the leap though because of shell prices. If I was reloading, maybe, but prices for 12's are lots of times cheaper than these lighter shells. Just hard for me to make that leap and i dont even feel a shotgun recoil. Its just so second nature to set a lead and pull a trigger and see a tumble (most times). Maybe as I get older, but this big ol boy doesnt even feel the tap of the shotgun.

Jeff, any issues with hard or defective primers in the boss stuff? I got a box and only like 3 shells went bang out of 25. Again, this was like 3-4 years ago. Contacted boss and they told me my firing pin was bad. my box came from a case that multiple guys pulled from and we all had issues. Even sent them a video showing them how their shell didnt go bang but the three other shells, after theirs did through my gun. Crickets, they didnt help at all. Ill never spend a dime on anything boss again after that.

I don't recall any particular issues with them. I may have had a failure or two, but nothing I noticed as different from other ammo.

 

[Noah Shaver]

Just a reminder, no choke tube or ammo marketing department can change simple physics and shotshell ballistics.

Here's a comparison of 1350 fps steel vs. 1500 fps in common sizes. You can see that by increasing speed we only pick up three yards or so of penetration. And when we step up one pellet size at a slower velocity we regain that penetration and then some.

You'd be better off shooting a heavier payload of a larger pellet size at a slower speed. Sure does save your shoulder, and you end up increasing your effective distance.

1500 fps steel #6 shot gets 1.50" of gel penetration at 18.1 yards with 2.45 lbs energy.
1350 fps Steel #5 shot gets 1.50" of gel penetration at 21.5 yards with 2.67 lbs energy.
1500 fps steel #5 shot gets 1.50" of gel penetration at 24.9 yards with 2.67 lbs energy.
1350 fps Steel #4 shot gets 1.50" of gel penetration at 28.4 yards with 2.90 lbs energy.
1500 fps steel #4 shot gets 1.50" of gel penetration at 32.0 yards with 2.90 lbs energy.
1350 fps Steel #3 shot gets 1.50" of gel penetration at 35.7 yards with 3.12 lbs energy.
1500 fps steel #3 shot gets 1.50" of gel penetration at 39.7 yards with 3.12 lbs energy.
1350 fps Steel #2 shot gets 1.50" of gel penetration at 43.4 yards with 3.34 lbs energy.
1500 fps steel #2 shot gets 1.50" of gel penetration at 47.7 yards with 3.34 lbs energy.

 

[Carl]

1350 fps Steel #3 shot gets 1.50" of gel penetration at 35.7 yards with 3.12 lbs energy.
1500 fps steel #3 shot gets 1.50" of gel penetration at 39.7 yards with 3.12 lbs energy.

See, i used to shoot the perfect load, balance of shot size, pellet number and energy at range.

 

[William Reinicke]

Just a reminder, no choke tube or ammo marketing department can change simple physics and shotshell ballistics.

Here's a comparison of 1350 fps steel vs. 1500 fps in common sizes. You can see that by increasing speed we only pick up three yards or so of penetration. And when we step up one pellet size at a slower velocity we regain that penetration and then some.

You'd be better off shooting a heavier payload of a larger pellet size at a slower speed. Sure does save your shoulder, and you end up increasing your effective distance.

1500 fps steel #6 shot gets 1.50" of gel penetration at 18.1 yards with 2.45 lbs energy.
1350 fps Steel #5 shot gets 1.50" of gel penetration at 21.5 yards with 2.67 lbs energy.
1500 fps steel #5 shot gets 1.50" of gel penetration at 24.9 yards with 2.67 lbs energy.
1350 fps Steel #4 shot gets 1.50" of gel penetration at 28.4 yards with 2.90 lbs energy.
1500 fps steel #4 shot gets 1.50" of gel penetration at 32.0 yards with 2.90 lbs energy.
1350 fps Steel #3 shot gets 1.50" of gel penetration at 35.7 yards with 3.12 lbs energy.
1500 fps steel #3 shot gets 1.50" of gel penetration at 39.7 yards with 3.12 lbs energy.
1350 fps Steel #2 shot gets 1.50" of gel penetration at 43.4 yards with 3.34 lbs energy.
1500 fps steel #2 shot gets 1.50" of gel penetration at 47.7 yards with 3.34 lbs energy.

#2 close!

 

[Steven Alexander]

Hype. Unless they're hitting them in REAL close. Remember that shot, being round, have bad aerodynamics. The higher the muzzle velocity, the faster they slow down once they leave the gun. So though you may be adding 15-25% velocity at the muzzle (and feeling that increase in recoil), once you get to 40 yards or so you've lost most of that difference.

This. Because, physics or some such.