The flapper was a flappin' this morning!
- Thread starter Derek and Xena
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Ed, you say that I'm a shit stirrer and that "we" don't come here for that, but this thread has 1112 views, so obviously someone comes here for something you can't put a finger on. I keep reading what this forum is and what it isn't from a bunch of self-professed old timers. I've seen a lot - a lot of shit stirred, a lot of stupid shit, a lot of people come and go and I've learned a lot. Everyone has different ideas of what this forum is. I have a different idea than yours, apparently. No disprect to your opinion, but I'll operate as I have.
As far as the pop-up, it was sad, but we did sell it. Tough times to sell an RV, but we did well (the buyers did well too, so a good transaction). I promptly filled that space in the barn, though, so not much of a gain.
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Ed Auman
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Tod , I know the spinners are a you either use them or you don't (love,hate) type of hunting practice. I don't use them, but I would not bash another person that does. I know all about the crap that goes on here also. Mostly I come here to learn, also to meet people and become friends with some of them. I have learned quite a bit from your post, you have a lot of knowledge it appers, thats why I read them. But I get turned off when you start with the nasties for no reason other than to get a rise. Thats all I'm saying. Somewhere in this post I think you said no one has an opinion, thats why I asked about your mama teaching you. Thats my opinion. Glad we can agree to disagree!
I have always liked that style Pop Up RV, would love to have one for the family. I got to go kick the cat now... later...Ed
I have always liked that style Pop Up RV, would love to have one for the family. I got to go kick the cat now... later...Ed
Derek and Xena
Active member
WOW! Never saw all of this happening when I posted! Thanks to all, this has been rather entertaining, somewhat rude and crude at times, but still entertaining!
Just for the record, the wind-powered spinner is quite noisy with gusts of 30 plus mph and may even spook the birds when they come in. I had birds short stopping my spread all morning, hence some long shots and the wind factor. They responded to the call great and circled and seemed to be coming right in and then, bam, stopped short. So Tod, you win, from now on no more NASTY spinner. Anyone want to to buy it?! $10. It's an Expedite Air Lucky or something like that. I've had it for 4-5 years and maybe used it 3 times.
Just for the record, the wind-powered spinner is quite noisy with gusts of 30 plus mph and may even spook the birds when they come in. I had birds short stopping my spread all morning, hence some long shots and the wind factor. They responded to the call great and circled and seemed to be coming right in and then, bam, stopped short. So Tod, you win, from now on no more NASTY spinner. Anyone want to to buy it?! $10. It's an Expedite Air Lucky or something like that. I've had it for 4-5 years and maybe used it 3 times.
mike braden
Well-known member
I'm confused....is it Tod or Jack or @%# which is the traditional hunter formerly known as Tod and recently known as Jack and Jack A** to a select few........ah screw it. Gotta hit the hay, early morning boat ride out on the bay.
Tod why don't you buy the spinner. I'd love to see you post a youtube video of you shooting the thing up.
Tod why don't you buy the spinner. I'd love to see you post a youtube video of you shooting the thing up.
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Derek and Xena
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Mike, that's the best idea I've heard of all day!!!
John L
Well-known member
So these two guy meet up to go duck hunting and one hunter says to the other " Whats better than one flapper"
The second hunter replys " I don't know , what?"
The first hunter replies " Two Flappers and a bunch of plastic decoys"
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I know I had this photos somewhere.
No, This is not me. Just a good friend and he still is a good friend even though he uses the flappers...
ANd, if it were not for all the traditionalists of years gone by the Black duck population might be in better shape so that we would be able to take more than only one duck.
Knock em down Derek and just have fun any way you want to do it. Best of luck this season.
The second hunter replys " I don't know , what?"
The first hunter replies " Two Flappers and a bunch of plastic decoys"
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I know I had this photos somewhere.
No, This is not me. Just a good friend and he still is a good friend even though he uses the flappers...
ANd, if it were not for all the traditionalists of years gone by the Black duck population might be in better shape so that we would be able to take more than only one duck.
Knock em down Derek and just have fun any way you want to do it. Best of luck this season.
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Eddie Kershaw
Guest
Wis bos that was well said so lets put this one to bed now.
take care
Eddie.
take care
Eddie.
Matt Moore
Active member
I'll add my two bits by pointing out a related subject. I shoot, and sometimes hunt with traditional style muzzleloaders, will loose powder and round balls. I'm well aware of, and have great distaine for zip guns, modern muzzleloaders with plastic stocks, stainless steel barrels, internal ingnition and fiber optic sights, using sabotted bullets and pyrodex pellets for powder. I think they're extremely ugly, and make the ignorant think they're shooting a gun that performs just like their centerfire rifle.
I also live in a state that has restricted muzzleloader only hunts to open ingnition, lead bullets, and loose powder. While I may feel this keeps some "purity" to the hunt, I'm not especially comfortable with balkanizing hunters based on small differences in guns. The zip guns, in spite of massive advertizing with wild claims on performance, don't perform particularly better than traditional muzzleloaders. I also feel the traditional shooter spends more time pulling the trigger in the off season, and therefore performs better shooting game. He shoots with confidence in his gun, because he's taken the time to learn what he's capable of doing with it, and when to pass up a shot. This doesn't mean the zip gun hunter can't do the same thing, it's just that guys who buy them are usually looking to extend their hunting season, or get a hunt timed for the rut, if they don't know their gun, it's their fault, not the equipment. The equipment restriction does tend to keep the shallow thinkers out of the muzzleloader hunts though.
The guys shooting long bows have a similar snit with guys shooting sighted compound bows. All the things I've said above apply here too.
My duck hunting partner uses a flapper. It's one you pull the cord on to make the wings flap, motor driven ones aren't legal in Oregon. I've hunted with him with this thing, the jury's still out on whether it helps or not. It is a pain in the ass to set up, and it cost him the price of a dozen good decoys. It's his money though, and as long as I don't have to pull the string, I'm ok with it. He's not afraid to try something that'll help bring birds in, he's also not shy about abandoning what doesn't work, and that may happen with this thing too.He's an ethical hunter, and so am I. I don't see any difference between this thing and a decoy rigged on a string to tip up to add some motion to the water. I think everyone on this site would agree the hardest thing to create with a spread of decoys is the movement a real flock of ducks has. You can have the perfect shape, paint job, etc. but you can't copy the motion of a live bird.
I guess I'm ok with the thing because it requires a human to make it work, don't ask me to justify that one, I don't think I can with any arguement that couldn't be shouted down by traditionalists or modernists. It does require the person to manipulate it, rather than sitting passively in front of his varius robots.
We need to be careful on attacking other hunters though. We can't put the technology jenie back in the bottle, it can only be controlled through legislation, and the government cannot always be trusted though. I don't think flappers, even motorized ones, are causing excessive amounts of ducks to be shot. I think the manufacturers are making outragous claims on these things, just like the zip gun boys are doing. I think the flapper is just an object, the people who buy them are too often the same ones that will shoot at ducks out of range because of the claims made buy the ammo company for the shells they've bought. We all use technology to some degree. I'd enjoy the hell out of a hunt shooting a muzzleloader over wood blocks, while sitting in a wood boat that I'd rowed to the spot, dressed in wool and canvas, but I don't think that takes away from the enjoyment I get from hunting the way I do it now.
I also live in a state that has restricted muzzleloader only hunts to open ingnition, lead bullets, and loose powder. While I may feel this keeps some "purity" to the hunt, I'm not especially comfortable with balkanizing hunters based on small differences in guns. The zip guns, in spite of massive advertizing with wild claims on performance, don't perform particularly better than traditional muzzleloaders. I also feel the traditional shooter spends more time pulling the trigger in the off season, and therefore performs better shooting game. He shoots with confidence in his gun, because he's taken the time to learn what he's capable of doing with it, and when to pass up a shot. This doesn't mean the zip gun hunter can't do the same thing, it's just that guys who buy them are usually looking to extend their hunting season, or get a hunt timed for the rut, if they don't know their gun, it's their fault, not the equipment. The equipment restriction does tend to keep the shallow thinkers out of the muzzleloader hunts though.
The guys shooting long bows have a similar snit with guys shooting sighted compound bows. All the things I've said above apply here too.
My duck hunting partner uses a flapper. It's one you pull the cord on to make the wings flap, motor driven ones aren't legal in Oregon. I've hunted with him with this thing, the jury's still out on whether it helps or not. It is a pain in the ass to set up, and it cost him the price of a dozen good decoys. It's his money though, and as long as I don't have to pull the string, I'm ok with it. He's not afraid to try something that'll help bring birds in, he's also not shy about abandoning what doesn't work, and that may happen with this thing too.He's an ethical hunter, and so am I. I don't see any difference between this thing and a decoy rigged on a string to tip up to add some motion to the water. I think everyone on this site would agree the hardest thing to create with a spread of decoys is the movement a real flock of ducks has. You can have the perfect shape, paint job, etc. but you can't copy the motion of a live bird.
I guess I'm ok with the thing because it requires a human to make it work, don't ask me to justify that one, I don't think I can with any arguement that couldn't be shouted down by traditionalists or modernists. It does require the person to manipulate it, rather than sitting passively in front of his varius robots.
We need to be careful on attacking other hunters though. We can't put the technology jenie back in the bottle, it can only be controlled through legislation, and the government cannot always be trusted though. I don't think flappers, even motorized ones, are causing excessive amounts of ducks to be shot. I think the manufacturers are making outragous claims on these things, just like the zip gun boys are doing. I think the flapper is just an object, the people who buy them are too often the same ones that will shoot at ducks out of range because of the claims made buy the ammo company for the shells they've bought. We all use technology to some degree. I'd enjoy the hell out of a hunt shooting a muzzleloader over wood blocks, while sitting in a wood boat that I'd rowed to the spot, dressed in wool and canvas, but I don't think that takes away from the enjoyment I get from hunting the way I do it now.