After reading Eric's how long can it go...

Ed L.

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I realize Eric was talking about droughts which we are in and have been in for several years now but draining of wetlands is just as bad. I don't know if anyone follows Fowlweather on facebook but I listened to a podcast the other night that made me sit up. Its long but worth a listen. It talks about the government wanting to change the Wetlands policy we as hunters have paid for thru purchasing duck stamps. This would affect 1.7 million acres of wetlands habitat. Here is a link to read about it. This link talks about a request for information but the podcast explains that there are already changes spelled out about what the The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service is reviewing and considering rolling back the 2024 "drain tile setback rule" that protects critical Prairie Pothole wetlands.

I know in my area farmers are tiling any fields that drain in creeks, man made ditches and anything that flows to the Mississippi river. I know of several wetlands in counties around me that no longer exist. Curious if others have input on the subject?

 
I think I saw a post on the forum already, but yes this is a real issue. I am assuming you're referring to this podcast: Fowlweather Podcast: Special Alert - Are the Ducks Done For? Mike, Mike, and Scott and brilliant waterfowl minds and we should all do our best to listen to them as much as we can. When those guys tell you to shut up and listen up, do it.

This is definitely one that should set off alarm bells. And you and everyone on this forum should be leaving a comment that says "we like the rules, they work just fine as they are, we already paid money to protect those lands, no reason to jeopardize our investment". Right now they are asking for feedback, and we should provide it.

As far as farmers and wetlands, there is a lot of info out there. Wetlands protections vary quite a bit depending on which state you live in. Here in PA, the commonwealth protects everything that meets a certain definition. In NJ, the state protects wetlands in a slightly different way. Delaware has historically never had state level wetlands regulations, but has just passed new laws within the last month or so. I could go on state by state... but that's boring for most folks. Federally, most of the prairie pothole wetlands that this proposed change would effect lost their protections in the most recent Supreme court case ruling on interpretations of the Clean Water Act (which regulates what can and cannot be done to navigable waterways in the US). Where a navigable waterway begins and ends is a bit gray and up for interpretation. It used to be a "significant nexus," which essentially meant that if a wetland provided hydrology (even if underground) to a navigable waterway, it fell under federal protection. Most of these prairie pothole wetlands were protected through this line of thought - you won't have navigable waters if the headwaters are dry. However, the new ruling (Sackett vs. EPA) found that wetlands are only under federal jurisdiction is there is a surface water connection. And to your first point, during this drought, there might not be a surface connection. And that's where it gets gray again - wetland have natural wet and dry cycles. Depending on the type of wetland, these cycles vary in length. Now, wetlands are relying on what state level protections they have (see the previous note about Delaware's recent decision to introduce state level wetlands regulations).

All said, farming generally receives significant exceptions from the above. We need food security within the nation, so farmers have special rules. Generally, these are laid out in the Food Security Act of 1985. Violations of the Food Security Act generally lead to ineligibility determinations for federal agricultural aid programs by the Farm Service Agency (like Farm Bill conservation technical and financial assistance). However, these only apply to wetlands that were altered to bring row crops into production after 1985 - known as swamp-busting. Anything that was drained before 1985 and has been kept in production is generally grandfathered in and thereby legal.

I recently had a farmer tell me: I'm a farmer, and inherently I want to drain wetlands. That's not true of all farmers, but there is a certain mindset to taming the land. It's unfortunate, but there are efforts to reverse the effects agriculture has had on the land. The NRCS does a good job of this - check out USDAs Wetland Reserve Easement Program. But there are other programs as well that don't rely on easements, like CRP, CREP, EQIP... etc. The only issue being that these are voluntary programs, and, like we're seeing, are still vulnerable to adjoining hydrologic stealing.

Anyways, there's a little bit of background for you. I could go one for pages, wetlands, wetland science, and policy are an interesting subject with lots of nuance.
 
Even as a former regulator, someone who still works in wetland restoration and who is a little left of center, I find federal involvement with regulating truly isolated wetlands under the clean water act a troubling issue. I think it was a stretch to begin with. As a hunter, fisherman, conservationist and someone who likes clean water, I also find the lack of some sort of regulation just as troubling.
I do believe states do have the authority under their common law, land use, flood plain protection, and public health, & welfare responsibilities / duties, to regulate wetland impacts. But many states have very limited wetlands protection rules.
And farmer are stuck in the middle, with ever increasing costs and already low profit margins. They need to till every acre they can. But they also need groundwater and surface water recharge for irrigation. So it’s a tough balancing act for them.
All That said, the federal govt should not be rolling back protections for wetlands we already paid to protect. It just doesn’t make sense.
Just like most issues in this country that we need to solve, we need compromise and well thought laws, rules and programs that work, with less bureaucracy. Which means for the time being, we won’t.
 
. We need food security within the nation, so farmers have special rules.
I grew up farming and honestly this is one of the myths about what is grown. A high percentage of crops are not necessarily for food security as it goes to biofuels, bio-plastics, and other products that are not consumed. Farming is one of the heaviest subsidized industries as well and would flounder in its current form without the governments money. So we don't have to farm every tillable acre for food security, its only security for the farmer because the cost of running a farm has drastically risen while the return on investment has been flat, shoot the prices of beans, corn, and wheat have been around the same for decades.

I'm very aware of the detriment that farmers do (like I said I come from farming so not necessarily against them) because I live near the dismal swamp. My dad would talk about how they would have consistent and predictable rain until they logged the swamp and turned it into farm land. We used to help tend that land and there was one block left of trees in the middle and it would hold water and keep the "down river" fields with moisture when it got drier. Well the landowner needed more land to farm so he logged it, well there went the water hold and the entire farm suffered so he gained little from it.

And then roundup has destroyed a ton as well. My dad would leave buffers around the ditches and would mow them or just let it grow throughout the year. Well once he died and my uncle farmed the land he would spray everything and plant right up to the ditch (as well as majority of the other farmers) and now erosion is a problem, bridges wash out, ditches are filling in, and wildlife has plummeted like quail.

As much as I love farming and farmers, the practices used have little concern for the environment and repercussions caused by their actions and how it affects so many others.
 
Those vegetative buffers and wetlands also capture fertilizer runoff, a lot which now ends up causing eutrophication in rivers, lakes and estuaries. There are a lot of programs across the nation to help farmers re-adapt vegetative buffers and no-till to reduce fertilizer and sediment runoff. And these BMPs work.
And programs to help farmers be better at fertilizer application. Every pound of fertilizer washed downstream is wasted $$$.
 
This is what I like about Duckboats. Intelligent conversation that helps understand a multi faceted issue. I thought the Delaware Fresh water wetlands bill was also to stop AI datacenter development in the state.
 
First off, I'm sorry I missed the conversation that has already occurred here. I'll be going back through the pages to catch up. With that said. Thank you for the comments on this as its a good education for someone like myself that isn't close or knowledgeable about either the farming aspect or anything more than the political aspect other than hearing local Ducks Unlimited speeches or what is discussed at the boat ramp. Personally, like you all that have buying duck stamps, in my case since 1972, I will hope they do not roll back the wetland initiative.
 
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