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Worth Mathewson

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I want to throw out something for discussion. I am honestly puzzled about the rule regarding classifieds on this page. It doesn't make common sense to me. It seems to me that it would benefit the individuals on this page to be offered as much waterfowling stuff as possible. My guess is that there are people who have little interest in posting that have good items for sale. The end result would be that members of this page likely could end up with some very good stuff that they otherwise wouldn't be aware of.

And actually, opening up the classifieds could be a service in some cases. As an example: At age 70, I am starting to downsize my stuff. Frankly, if I went to the big marsh in the sky suddenly, my wife would be at a loss to deal with all I have. In my will I have all my stuff (guns, decoys, boats, art, books etc etc) sold and the money going to DELTA. If needed, Mark Rongers has volunteered to help Marge with the sale. I have also contacted several other younger waterfowlers closer to Oregon about the same thing.

My guess is that I am not going to make age 91 like Dave Hagerbaumer. (He is making decoys again, and if interested get in touch with me) But of course I still have many more days afield left. If the classifieds were open to everyone, it would likely to be quickly known as an excellent place to sell stuff. At some point that would be a big help to Marge. I would bet there would be other widows who could take advantage.

Hope the season was good for the members. Out here in western Oregon we seemed to have some good days, but a lot of very bad ones. Very hit and miss? Best, Worth Mathewson
 
I want to throw out something for discussion. I am honestly puzzled about the rule regarding classifieds on this page. It doesn't make common sense to me. It seems to me that it would benefit the individuals on this page to be offered as much waterfowling stuff as possible. My guess is that there are people who have little interest in posting that have good items for sale. The end result would be that members of this page likely could end up with some very good stuff that they otherwise wouldn't be aware of.

And actually, opening up the classifieds could be a service in some cases. As an example: At age 70, I am starting to downsize my stuff. Frankly, if I went to the big marsh in the sky suddenly, my wife would be at a loss to deal with all I have. In my will I have all my stuff (guns, decoys, boats, art, books etc etc) sold and the money going to DELTA. If needed, Mark Rongers has volunteered to help Marge with the sale. I have also contacted several other younger waterfowlers closer to Oregon about the same thing.

My guess is that I am not going to make age 91 like Dave Hagerbaumer. (He is making decoys again, and if interested get in touch with me) But of course I still have many more days afield left. If the classifieds were open to everyone, it would likely to be quickly known as an excellent place to sell stuff. At some point that would be a big help to Marge. I would bet there would be other widows who could take advantage.

Hope the season was good for the members. Out here in western Oregon we seemed to have some good days, but a lot of very bad ones. Very hit and miss? Best, Worth Mathewson
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Couple things Worth. First, I'm not a moderator, but a lot of BS occurs in the classifieds and the posting rules are meant to reduce that BS and that reduces work for the moderators (a good thing). Second, I'm sure that if a regular contributor's widow contacted the forum that there would be plenty of help offered. I know that I've told Jen that this is where to go to get rid of my stuff (hopefully she would wait until after my death).

What it comes down to is are you part of the community or not? You can be part of the community easily, but that is your choice.

T
 
What if the moderators were to add in a different qualification (pehaps time since registration > 21 days) ? (or 10, or however long).

That way, if you've been a registered member around here for a while, but don't post much, you would still qualify to post in the classifieds. That would eliminate the biggest problem which is people that join, post a couple ads and then vanish forever. I totally agree with Tod that the moderators/members would absolutely help out a relative of a member with handling their gear.

Scott
 
Worth

One of the deciding factors for the rule was people would come and try and register. They would invariably flub the registration process, blame the site, demand help getting registered, require me to go through a round robin of emails to fix their own inability to enter their email or write down their username/password. In the end all they were after was selling some item and then never showing up again. I lend my time to this community, not to individuals wanting to make a sale and quickly move on.

In the examples you've given we would make every effort to help out.

Eric
 
IMO....Its perfect now......if your part of "our" page you post an item for sale....then the rest of contact is only between the seller and the party interested in the item...NO BS comments or BS for the Mods to deal with.



Best
Bob
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I want to throw out something for discussion. I am honestly puzzled about the rule regarding classifieds on this page. It doesn't make common sense to me. It seems to me that it would benefit the individuals on this page to be offered as much waterfowling stuff as possible. My guess is that there are people who have little interest in posting that have good items for sale. The end result would be that members of this page likely could end up with some very good stuff that they otherwise wouldn't be aware of.

And actually, opening up the classifieds could be a service in some cases. As an example: At age 70, I am starting to downsize my stuff. Frankly, if I went to the big marsh in the sky suddenly, my wife would be at a loss to deal with all I have. In my will I have all my stuff (guns, decoys, boats, art, books etc etc) sold and the money going to DELTA. If needed, Mark Rongers has volunteered to help Marge with the sale. I have also contacted several other younger waterfowlers closer to Oregon about the same thing.

My guess is that I am not going to make age 91 like Dave Hagerbaumer. (He is making decoys again, and if interested get in touch with me) But of course I still have many more days afield left. If the classifieds were open to everyone, it would likely to be quickly known as an excellent place to sell stuff. At some point that would be a big help to Marge. I would bet there would be other widows who could take advantage.

Hope the season was good for the members. Out here in western Oregon we seemed to have some good days, but a lot of very bad ones. Very hit and miss? Best, Worth Mathewson
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Couple things Worth. First, I'm not a moderator, but a lot of BS occurs in the classifieds and the posting rules are meant to reduce that BS and that reduces work for the moderators (a good thing). Second, I'm sure that if a regular contributor's widow contacted the forum that there would be plenty of help offered. I know that I've told Jen that this is where to go to get rid of my stuff (hopefully she would wait until after my death).

What it comes down to is are you part of the community or not? You can be part of the community easily, but that is your choice.

T
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Tod, i told my wife that when i die i don't won't some other idiot using my stuff, she asked why i thought she would marry another idiot.
 
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For what it is worth, I have enjoyed the integrity of the sellers I have dealt with through this forum. Unlike some issues I have had with Craig's list and other advertising media. I agree with limiting the classifieds to active site members as it is nice to have some insight into who you are buying from and a way to have recourse should you have a problem.
Thanks.
 
What if the moderators were to add in a different qualification (pehaps time since registration > 21 days) ? (or 10, or however long).

That way, if you've been a registered member around here for a while, but don't post much, you would still qualify to post in the classifieds. That would eliminate the biggest problem which is people that join, post a couple ads and then vanish forever. I totally agree with Tod that the moderators/members would absolutely help out a relative of a member with handling their gear.

Scott
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I like Scott's idea. I've been a member since 2009 and I read this forum on a regular basis, but I still can't post in the classified section. I'm new to waterfowl hunting and don't have much experience, so I don't comment on peoples posts, in fear of sounding stupid.

But I guess those are the rules, so we have to live by them.................PS. I do enjoy this forum alot!

Andrew
 
Just leave your sign-in information handy, and anyone could post your things for sale under your name. My fear is that if/when I go my wife is going to sell my stuff for what I told her I paid for it... :)
 
Worth,
great to hear that about Dave. I am going to take the other line and say you are not going to have to worry one bit about it till you are 91.

New guys here are always a good thing. But they have to earn a few things. Take some pictures, write about a hunt or boat or their dog even.
No issue one bit with the readers who like just that. But to sell your stuff and have access to this national audience you have to contribute something. This place requires new stuff to stay interesting.

Hope the season was a good one on the Left Coast.


Bob Butler
 
Tod, i told my wife that when i die i don't won't some other idiot using my stuff, she asked why i thought she would marry another idiot.
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LOL My wife told me that if I go first she will ask every suitor whether he hunts or fishes and if he says yes it will end right there. She wouldn't have a clue what to do with my stuff and the last person she would ask is one of my hunting buddies. :)

Worth's comments got me thinking. Now that there isn't any banter in the classifieds it makes it a different and less personal place to shop. I used to enjoy browsing over there but I don't bother checking in on the classifieds much anymore. I don't normally shop cross-border because of the inconvenience.

I do realize the banter was stopped because sometimes it got far too personal.
 
I think the non posting classified rules are rediculous. As Worth stated, the ONLY thing this real does, is take away opportunities from the members for deals.
 
I think the non posting classified rules are rediculous. As Worth stated, the ONLY thing this real does, is take away opportunities from the members for deals.
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How does it do that? Any member, even those with fewer then 30 posts, can PM someone offering something for sale. On the few things I have sold everyone who bought contacted me with an offer or an "Ill take it" through PM. When I have bought on forums that allow discussion in the classifieds I almost never see a serious offer in a reply. You can discuss and make all the offers you want through PMs. If you ask for more pictures or added info there is nothing stopping them from also adding it to their post.

As for Worth's other worries there is no way Eric would turn down someone in that situation. I sure hope it is quite some time before all of your "stuff" is being dispersed.

Tim
 
Tim, unless I am mistaken, you cannot POST anything for sale with out a minimum (30 I believe) number of "quality" posts... I see no benefit from that... someone want to sell... or buy... something... how is that not a good thing for us (members)
 
Ditto to what Tim said.

Worth, you have contributed here as a member for some time. I don't see where anyone would prevent the situation you described from being resolved. Plus you'll probably outlive us all. Come to think of it, after reading your post, I might name Rongers as the "executor" of my "estate" as regards all things waterfowl.
 
Worth, I menat to mention earlier thanks for the report on Dave. Pretty astonishing he's still crafting decoys and other pursuits.

Phil, you are actually correct that if we dropped the 30 post minimum that there would be more posts in the classifieds and it would open up the opportunity for the regulars here to buy something they would otherwise miss. However it also opens up problems that the moderators have to contend with and perhaps the regulars too. It isn't too hard to imagine some scammer signing up and taking advantage of their anonymity. By requiring some participation it lessens the risk of doing business and takes a burden off the moderators having to deal with someone who is out to make a buck with no interest in the community. I view this place as a community first and a being a place to shop is furrther down the list. Also, like I mentioned before it really goads me to hold someone's hand through the registration process only to have them leave once they make their sale. Makes me feel used.
 
Phil,

It would be great if "we" had every opportunity to get a great deal from some classified, even if it was just a drop-in who wanted to off-load something. But put yourself in Eric or Chucks shoes. You know well enough that this site isn't a job for them and they would much rather be reading / contributing to the forum and not dealing with the additional work trying to get someone situated so they can sell and fly.
 
I have been at least a little bit guilty of offering some "non-constructive jiberish" on the "Classifieds. I HATE OVERPRICED JUNK! It's in my physical make-up. Just ask my boss. For that I apologize.

That having been said, I don't disagree with what the "suits" here are doing and trying to accomplish. I think for the most part, it's working just fine.

I also think it would be nice to have a venue where people can just post waterfowl related items up for sale. I don't always have the time or desire to peruse every classified ad known to modern man just to find a few "duck related" items I may be interested in. However, I certainly see where the totally free cybermarket has it's inherent maladies. Just check with anybody who does a lot of business on ebay or craigslist.

This is a TERRIFIC site and I have no problem living with Mr. Patterson's rules.

Just my semi-worthless $.02 worth.
 
i also tried to post in classified ,threw me off until i have 30 post that's ok ,rules are rules and with all the spam B.S. i can see their point
 
Worth,

There has been more than one instance of a hardship cases where exceptions are made to the 30 post rule. I'd say if we were contacted by ANY widow of a duck hunter (member here or not) the same exceptions would be made, and if she was in no position to assess the value of the items, I would go the extra mile and try and hook her up with a member in the area who might be able to give her an honest appraisal before she blindly puts stuff up for sale for, as Hank put it, what her husband "said he paid for it".

However if Mark has volunteered to help out, I think your estate should be in fine hands. Mark would be well qualified to assess the value as well as welcome to sell any and all items on here, and given the benifit to DELTA I'd expect top dollar being reached.

Best
Chuck
 
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