Is Alabama alone in this?

Steven Alexander

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So, I grew up never realizing other states have a crow "season".

Alabama has no closed season, and no bag limit. I told this to a guy when I was up north last October, and he told me I was wrong, that ALL states had to have seasons for them, because they were a migratory species. That's not true, as we do. I pointed him to our state's season dates and regs. Google's large-language model (what some of yall call "AI") claims that no state has a year-round open season on them also.

Any idea why we are different? Or, better yet, why don't other states allow year-round murdering of murders of crow?



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Alabama does have a season, its Jan 1-Dec 31.
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It was my understanding as well that states had to have a "season" for crows.
Never hunted them in ALabama and never put any thought into it.
Growing up in PA, our season was like Wednesday through Sunday all year round, if I remember correctly. I believe it was the only hunting allowed on Sunday.
 
Somewhere I got the impression AL also allowed shooting redwing blackbirds. I just checked but couldn't find it, but I'm pretty certain at one time in the recent past they were legal to kill.
 
Crows (native) are protected by the Migratory Bird Treaty Act. Here's the list from FWS.

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My guess, either Alabama has some special exemption, or the crows in Alabama are non-native.

EDIT: my guess was wrong. Though protected by MBTA, states cam set whatever seasons they wish..
 
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Alabama has two species of crows, American crows and Fish crows.
Fish crows sound like they have a head cold when the caw.
 
I was told, many moons ago. Mexico had no limits on waterfowl. In negotiations with them, we set seasons on crows, in exchange, they would set limits, and seasons on waterfowl. They supposedly like to eat crows there.

Anyhow, this is what I was told. Could be wrong....
 
I think lots of places can hunt crows. NM is strictly no hunting on crows, so ive never really done it but a handful of times I found myself shooting at the black birds. The season where most states have a crow season, we have a reverse migration of protected mexican ravens. Since they are all here at the same time, many would be mistaken and killed. So shooting the black birds here is a big no no. Go to colorado though, and you can have some fun (or used to anyways, not sure about current regulations). Its probably been close to 10 years since ive even looked into crow hunting but the most fun I ever had on a dairy was shooting them over a fox pro with the "fighting crow call" uploaded from their website in that caller. The more you shot and leave lay on the ground, the better it got. At one point, there were literally crows falling out of the skies like basketballs trying to get to the ground when we had about 50ish dead scattered and that call running. It was quite something to watch. I could see why theres a market for crow decoys.
 
I think lots of places can hunt crows. NM is strictly no hunting on crows, so ive never really done it but a handful of times I found myself shooting at the black birds. The season where most states have a crow season, we have a reverse migration of protected mexican ravens. Since they are all here at the same time, many would be mistaken and killed. So shooting the black birds here is a big no no. Go to colorado though, and you can have some fun (or used to anyways, not sure about current regulations). Its probably been close to 10 years since ive even looked into crow hunting but the most fun I ever had on a dairy was shooting them over a fox pro with the "fighting crow call" uploaded from their website in that caller. The more you shot and leave lay on the ground, the better it got. At one point, there were literally crows falling out of the skies like basketballs trying to get to the ground when we had about 50ish dead scattered and that call running. It was quite something to watch. I could see why theres a market for crow decoys.
Crow hunting is a blast. Yes, they will "come in" to an injured crow. But the ones here wise up real fast. If they see another one get shot, you'll never see that crow again. They get hunted/shot around here, and act as such. 😆

I still can't wrap my head around only being able to shoot them certain days. I like that I can shoot them at every available opportunity here.

I bought some flocked Halloween decor ones from maybe Hobby Lobby several years back for near nothing. E-caller helps a lot too. Banded crow is a bucket lister for me. 😁
 
Crow hunting is a blast. Yes, they will "come in" to an injured crow. But the ones here wise up real fast. If they see another one get shot, you'll never see that crow again. They get hunted/shot around here, and act as such. 😆
It was seriously one of the coolest thing I ever watched. Only thing close was when spinners first came out for waterfowl and watching mallard fall out of the sky to those spinners that first year was unbelievable. Now, I dont even set one out to hunt fowl. Water motion is far more important to me that wing flaps.
I still can't wrap my head around only being able to shoot them certain days. I like that I can shoot them at every available opportunity here.
Only thing that we have like that around here is collard dove, coyotes and carp. I say carp because I went down that rabbit hole for a year or two of bowfishing carp. What a blast that can be.
I bought some flocked Halloween decor ones from maybe Hobby Lobby several years back for near nothing. E-caller helps a lot too. Banded crow is a bucket lister for me. 😁
Ya I think certain species, you could throw black or gray plates out and they will decoy. Pigeons are just as dumb. I would set out a dozen soar no more pigeon decoys and just leave them lay as I shot them. The more shot, the better it got. Just needed that first dozen to get them to start decoying. I shot literally 10's of thousands of pigeons in my younger years. Have in the neighborhood of 120ish pigeon bands on its own lanyard hanging in the office. Just a novelty thing I suppose. When I was young and dumb and ran on social media, the pigeon deal got me more street cred than anything else lol. It was such a great way to tune up dogs before a waterfowl season. I had tons of fun with that. Also, when the labs get too old to hunt waterfowl, it was always fun to take them out and let them retrieve a few and see that inner love come out of them again when they could go make a super easy retrieve. Thats probably the only thing I miss about all this.

Found some pics of those crow hunts. They are dated 2013. So 12 years ago was the last time I even really looked into the crow stuff. Dont mind the saiga lmao. We were messing around with some things, and at one point got it figured out how to run one as a snow goose gun. It was convenient to just run a new magazine of shells and reload magazines in between flocks of snows. End of the day, an extended mag tube still easier. Oh the stupidity... but gosh it was fun.
 

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I love a good pigeon shoot. I shot a banded one in October. Someone's racing pigeon, no doubt.
If it was shot in october, good chance it was wild by then. I would shoot a ton between june-August and that is when the guys who raised them really started to thin the herd and get them out of the coup. I did a lot of research on that deal, because I was killing 20-30 a summer and started to feel kind of bad about that. If this was someones prized possessions, I didnt want to be just out killing them. Plus, I got to the point, I could call them out of flocks, they are a much different animal. Fly much smoother, wing beat is much different, longer necks in flight as well. This sounds weird to say, but they just look cleaner as well. I told that to a guy and he started saying he was shooting the "clean birds" out of flocks, and he really started to collect quite a nice collection of pigeon bands. So I figured if I could leave them be, i would, but I also figured if it was a good racer, it wouldnt be mixed in with dairy pigeons that came in from the closest city. You could literally watch hundreds come from the city to this dairy. It was truly overrun, but I had to know what the deal was behind these pigeons with leg bands.

So what I figured out is most coups will hatch their new birds in February/March. Generally they are training by mid April. By June the handlers know which ones are getting kicked and which ones are being taken to races. 80% of birds dont get to stay in the coup, according to the local old man that I spoke to from around here. So I no longer felt bad anymore. There were some days, like 4th of July, when we hunted one year and it was obvious it was a race day. We killed 7 and all were double banded with the magnet detachable band on their legs. The magnet records a time when the bird goes through the door on their coup to record when they made it home. Sometimes the birds beat the handler home after they are released from their starting location, so its a way to record how fast the bird made it back from the race. I only hunted that one 4th of july and never again because i didnt feel right killing birds who might actively be in a race. Also, that day, they were all older birds. None killed that day were that years color band. Theres a rotation of 5 colors (white, yellow, blue, green, and red). So I would look up what the color was for each year, and then I would know if i was killing babies or older birds. The year is stamped on all the bands as well, but I still would look it up because some handlers would get custom colors done for that year and go against the standard color for that year. The oldest pigeon I ever killed was 17 years old. Since bands are sealed and they have to go on as chics, its safe to say that bird was truly that age.

Then there were show birds that got out of coups and we killed every so often. those would have odd colors sometimes or mini bands/zip ties. But the coolest two I ever killed were tumbler pigeons. They would do backflips mid air down into the decoys. Just literally be flying one second and then just look like they were tumbling out of the sky and then about 8 feet above ground they would put their wings out and glide down into the decoys. I did kill an old bird one time that had 5 leg bands. I couldnt figure that one out. only thing i could thing was the handler put that many on its legs to mimic a GPS band and the weight of it. no idea there, but it had a white band and 4 green bands, 3 of which were aluminum.
 
Somewhere I got the impression AL also allowed shooting redwing blackbirds. I just checked but couldn't find it, but I'm pretty certain at one time in the recent past they were legal to kill.
Most States allow you to kill them and grackles if they are depredating something or causing a nuisance. It might be in Federal Law. Most states adopt Federal Law on birds.
 
Our crow season is September 1 through February 21, Thursdays through Mondays only.

Haven't ever seriously crow hunted, but seems like an interesting thing if there are enough birds around.

I think we are allowed to shoot starlings year round, but I don't think sparrows are part of it since there are so many species besides the European house sparrows.
 
Most States allow you to kill them and grackles if they are depredating something or causing a nuisance. It might be in Federal Law. Most states adopt Federal Law on birds.
The dairy I shot had federal protection against the pigeons. Technically the dairy was in a county where no firearms are allowed to be discharged. this is a big reason the pigeons were so wildly out of control. Literally the pigeons around a major city would all fly to this dairy. Feds actually stepped in and said figure it out or we shut it down and wrote up paperwork right there stating the allowance of discharge of a firearm due to the unhealthy amount of pigeons on that dairy. I was in cuffs a few times, and at one point the whole neighborhood that bordered the dairy was lined with police and swat. The first few years was touchy for sure, but every time, I walked an officer down to the office and showed them the documents on the dairy. They made a few phone calls and it was wrapped up. It happened every few months, but after 3 years, I finally got a sit down with the chief of police for BCSO. I explained everything to him, and he was very fair. He explained how they cannot ignore a shots fired call. I totally understood that, but he said instead of sending out the platoon like they normally do, he would assign an officer to run lights an sirens to the dairy first and if I was there, he would touch base with me and let dispatch know. If I wasnt, he was going to send the rest. It was pretty cool, they assigned an old guy who would show up, wave at me, I would wave back and he would be on his way. Worked great for like 5 years, and then he must of retired because the next time it happened, two very young kids showed up, rolled to the back of the dairy, AR's drawn and faced out in the desert away from the dairy. I even leaned over to my partner and said " look at these bozos, we could sneak through the dairy cows and shoot both of them in the back they are so unaware of their surroundings". They just assumed it wasnt on the dairy. Needless to say, we had about 150 birds laid all over by that point as well. They were just clueless and full of adrenaline and not paying attention in the slightest. I left the gun with my buddy, weasled my way over slowly, and asked if I could help them. They said they were called to shots fired, and all I said is "yes, thats us" (WRONG THING TO SAY, but I didnt know, it had been so buttery smooth for years), and both AR's came pointed right at my chest. My other buddy flies off the handle, comes running through the cows screaming and yelling (he doesnt do good with that kind of stuff), those 3 are yelling like chicken heads and im kind of giggling thinking how dumb this all is over pigeon hunting. Now guns are drawn on my buddy acting a fool and lots of screaming and I finally just scream at the top of my lungs, EVERYONE CALM THE F*** DOWN! Taken back, everyone shuts up.... i tell the young officers, they are a bit out of line, explain the entire situation to them, and tell them they would be fools to arrest us but haul me off if they so wish. I tell them the history of the place and even tell them if they drive around the pen where the cruiser is, they will see over 100 pigeons on the ground. AR's are pointed down, they apologize, we all shake hands, I take one down to the office to see the documentation and that was it. I never saw another officer after that, but it wasnt long after that last incident when covid hit, dairy took a huge hit, and unfortunately the old man who owned it all took his life in the office from all the stress. That was the end of the dairy.
 
Only thing that we have like that around here is collard dove, coyotes and carp.
Collared dove, now that's some fun. Among the best dove hunts I've had in S Texas (and we've had some phenomenal hunts), I'd count the couple that we found ourselves covered up with Eurasians. Like pigeons sometimes do, they'll keep coming back if it's where they want to be and they see others on the ground (even belly up). There are almost always a few trading around wherever we're hunting, and everyone knows when one drops because immediately after hearing a shotgun report you hear the yell "Free bird!" as if calling for the song.
 
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