Saskatchewan Follows Manitoba

Earning income isn't a sign of greed. Getting laws passed that lock out one group in favor of your own is.
Eric, I totally get it. I wish you could follow us around on one of the Pheasants Forever National conferences. My wife can really lay into the North and South Dakota, Game and Fish and Tourism booths. Truly shortsighted and sad when you consider the money pheasant hunting used to generate for these small towns. Screw 'em, we take our money elsewhere.
The sad thing is we let non residents rape our lakes and steal our women. I have emailed our state legislators several times to get some sort of reciprocity agreement in place. Minnesota, it would seem, is more interested in the money our lakes generate than leveraging an equitable agreement for its residents. RM
 
Why does this remind me of a George Carlin comedy routine about the Viking chief giving the 'pre-game' instructions to his men before they go ashore to raid a village? ".......and remember guys, it's: Kill the cattle and rape the women, not....."
Kim

When I was younger I found Carlin funny, except for his mocking God. Now I find him prophetic and not so funny.
 
Adam

Freelancers are now restricted to 5 days. What restrictions were added to outfitters? What restrictions is SCPO pushing for guide services?
As I mentioned earlier, the SCPO is indeed discussing restrictions on outfitter growth. The province has had issues with gathering the data on outfitters that is necessary to implement such restrictions. This is being addressed by the ministry. To be clear, the SCPO has been advocating for both freelancing and outfitting to be addressed, but has no control over how the ministry addresses them. The SCPO is not the only voice in the conversation, and certainly not the most influential one.
 
SCPO was mentioned in the media and on the CA gov web site. Who else is pushing for these changes? The changes were 100% aimed at non-resident freelancers. Is the data lousy on CA's outfitters but great on non-residents? I don't buy that argument. This new law stinks of politics and outfitter influence and greed. How would you feel if your season were cut to 5 days while outfitters book like no tomorrow? It sure as hell isn't about the resource.
 
Just to be clear, I'm a member of the SCPO, but not in any kind of leadership position or on any committees. My opinions are my own, and based on my discussions with outfitters in my area and my experience at SCPO meetings. I speak only for myself.
 
Just to be clear, I'm a member of the SCPO, but not in any kind of leadership position or on any committees. My opinions are my own, and based on my discussions with outfitters in my area and my experience at SCPO meetings. I speak only for myself.
Appreciate the clarification.
 
SCPO was mentioned in the media and on the CA gov web site. Who else is pushing for these changes? The changes were 100% aimed at non-resident freelancers. Is the data lousy on CA's outfitters but great on non-residents? I don't buy that argument. This new law stinks of politics and outfitter influence and greed. How would you feel if your season were cut to 5 days while outfitters book like no tomorrow? It sure as hell isn't about the resource.
I am not sure what data the ministry relied on. There are many voices in the ear of the ministry, from what I understand. DU, the hotel industry, and the Sask Wildlife Federation (representing private hunters) are among them. It's not the SCPO walking in an calling the shots. Far from it.
 
It would be very unfortunate if Canada's Ministry of Natural Resources doesn't take into account where the vast majority of Ducks Unlimited money is raised. My other point of contentions the rhetoric of protecting the resource for resident hunters. Every resident we met while asking permission thought it was just hilarious the amount of trouble USA hunters go through to chase ducks and geese. We never met a single resident hunter or spoke with anyone who had any interest in waterfowl. The more I think about it the more I agree with Eric. I don't really see how this will solve the illegal outfitter issue which was the impetus of these changes.
Ultimately this type of legislation hurts the small business that catered to non resident hunters. We saw the same thing in North and South Dakota. Instead of the money being dispersed into the community through various avenues ie restaurants, hotels, gas stations etc, all the money generated is funneled into the guiding operation.
RM
 
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I clipped this from Facebook so I hope the moderator doesn't mind. I think this gentleman says it better than I ever could.
RM
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What would it be like for an freelance hunter to come from Saskatchewan down to, say, Arkansas or North Dakota, to go do some waterfowl hunting? Would they have trouble getting access? Do the outfitters and duck clubs have things locked up?
 
I don't have the patience to type everything that's wrong with what happened in the Dakotas, and now in various Provinces. All have caved to the commercial interests, entirely for the almighty dollar. In the long run it will be the end of hunting as we know it, restricted to canned hunts for a privileged few in the model of Europe.

I've never paid a "hunting" guide/outfitter, and hope I never do. I can see it for elderly or handicapped people incapable of handling the gear, but not for able bodied persons. Gunning in a rig owned and set by others who prepared the equipment, did the scouting, transported the gear, set the rig, and babysit the sport for money, is just shooting. It's an insult to real hunters to call it hunting, barely one step above calling a high fence "trophy" shooter a hunter. If hunting was dating, a hunter does the difficult work to meet people to date, the other guy is at the cathouse.

As has been discussed around here on multiple occasions, it seems fair for a State or Province to set restrictive regulations regarding non-migratory game since they manage it from cradle to grave themselves. Migratory game can't be managed independently because so much of the management money comes from distant sources. Cutting off individual hunter access to the resource will almost certainly reduce funding, resulting in a death spiral for successful management. If somebody wants to suggest that guides, out of pocket or through community efforts, will pick up the funding slack, I'd love to see the accounting in support of that fairy tale model. There are certainly heavy hitters that toss truckloads of cash at the cause every year, but by and large it's a "Walmart" effort, many people contributing a modest amount each. I would also suggest that the hunting population is aging out, with fewer young people entering the sport than are required to replace the deceased. This goes for rich and poor, less hunters equals less funding. No doubt some percentage of new hunters are recruited through guided hunts, but in my experience the vast majority of new hunters are recruited by their families and buddies who've been doing it forever. Paying it forward.

Another related aspect of this mess is my understanding that a landowner can't charge a fee to hunt? Is that correct? Now please understand I am the last guy in favor of pay to hunt. But a guide can make a living bringing sports to hunt on a farmer's land, who legally can't take a dime? I get it, in theory it keeps the guides and the wealthy from locking up vast acreage. No doubt the rule is flouted, but that bothers me a lot less than commercial exploitation of waterfowl. So how about this as a new rule? Nobody can take a dime for any activity related to waterfowl hunting. No more guiding for waterfowl. Everybody is on a level playing field. They still need to buy licences, stay in hotels, eat at restaurants and obtain permission from the landowner. Maybe they slip the landowner a fifty. Horrors. Then they actually go hunting, not just shooting. What a novel idea.
 
Yes, they would. South Dakota started putting walls around the public resource and others have followed. Arkansas restrictions are only on WMAs and limit the hunter to 30 days out of a 60-day season. South Dakota is a lottery system with poor chance of selection per year. Other states have restrictions as well. I don't like any of it, and it is getting more common. In my opinion the sport is over-regulating access and forcing guys like me out of the sport. I foresee a time when everyday hunters and freelancers are replaced by clients, fewer hunters, and a high turnover rate. That high turnover isn't a good thing because conduct in the field, habitat preservation and development, and financial support is better from hunters who have been in the game a while. That's how I see it.
 
Correct, is is not legal for landowners to take money for access. Whether they should be able to or not I don't have an opinion on. It certainly does happen though.
 
Adam,

I will preface this with I have never hunted ND or AR but non-resident rules are not strictly for people from another country. I can't speak from the experience of coming down from Canada but as someone who drives up from FL (sure seems like a different country) to hunt, I have found most states have public land available. While this experience is more upland related, but if I wanted to hunt private land, I would do the research to find out who the landowner was and ask if I could hunt. Sometimes the owner would say sorry, only certain folk can hunt it, sometimes they would say sure. I imagine that AR the private land is probably more locked up than ND. But looking at ND's opportunities for public access bird hunting, there is a lot of public and private land that allows sportsman access.

I can't comment though on what kind of quality that access is, habitat wise.
 
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Correct, is is not legal for landowners to take money for access. Whether they should be able to or not I don't have an opinion on. It certainly does happen though.
I'm not advocating for paying to hunt, but it's strange to allow commercial hunts on private land for free. I would not have guessed that would be a rule.
 
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