The Politics of Duck hunting
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Scott O.
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This doesn't answer the question "exactly", but you can extrapolate the data to see that he's at least "close". (Info taken from www.flyways.us.) Mexico
Currently, there are no annual estimates available for hunter harvest in Mexico. However, a study by Kramer et al. (1995) gives a good indication of the magnitude and species composition of the annual waterfowl harvest in Mexico. From 1987 to 1992, Kramer et al. conducted a census of harvest in all the traditional waterfowl hunting areas of Mexico, visiting each major area in a different year. Then they applied area-specific correction factors to adjust for under-reporting by hunters. Finally, they summed the results for each area across years to obtain estimates of average annual harvest for all of Mexico. Generally, the waterfowl harvest in Mexico is less than one percent of the total North American harvest. [/QUOTE]
I have to smile when I see someone not only latch onto a position (that this "data" has any statistical basis) but then go after people for not understanding how their superior scientific backgrounds allow them to make condescending comments at will.
Apparently "Kramer et. al" (who??) went to "traditional hunting spots" (where??) and applied "area-specific correction factors" (WHAT???) to poop out a number that is an "estimate of an average". Really? And the "scientists" here buy that? We're in trouble if those scientists have any impact on wildlife management decisions.
Whatever...but let me throw out another variable that, ironically, does support the low Mexico percentage theory.
Twenty years ago, the border was a different place. My work took me there often to manufacturing plants in Reynosa and Matamoros, not far from some of the Tamaulipas hunting spots on the east side of that state. It was easy traveling back then. Now? Not so much. Not sure if you'd really want to enter the state of Tamaulipas to go duck hunting nowadays as there is some other serious shooting going on there that doesnt have anything to do with ducks.
This doesn't answer the question "exactly", but you can extrapolate the data to see that he's at least "close". (Info taken from www.flyways.us.) Mexico
Currently, there are no annual estimates available for hunter harvest in Mexico. However, a study by Kramer et al. (1995) gives a good indication of the magnitude and species composition of the annual waterfowl harvest in Mexico. From 1987 to 1992, Kramer et al. conducted a census of harvest in all the traditional waterfowl hunting areas of Mexico, visiting each major area in a different year. Then they applied area-specific correction factors to adjust for under-reporting by hunters. Finally, they summed the results for each area across years to obtain estimates of average annual harvest for all of Mexico. Generally, the waterfowl harvest in Mexico is less than one percent of the total North American harvest. [/QUOTE]
I have to smile when I see someone not only latch onto a position (that this "data" has any statistical basis) but then go after people for not understanding how their superior scientific backgrounds allow them to make condescending comments at will.
Apparently "Kramer et. al" (who??) went to "traditional hunting spots" (where??) and applied "area-specific correction factors" (WHAT???) to poop out a number that is an "estimate of an average". Really? And the "scientists" here buy that? We're in trouble if those scientists have any impact on wildlife management decisions.
Whatever...but let me throw out another variable that, ironically, does support the low Mexico percentage theory.
Twenty years ago, the border was a different place. My work took me there often to manufacturing plants in Reynosa and Matamoros, not far from some of the Tamaulipas hunting spots on the east side of that state. It was easy traveling back then. Now? Not so much. Not sure if you'd really want to enter the state of Tamaulipas to go duck hunting nowadays as there is some other serious shooting going on there that doesnt have anything to do with ducks.
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Kevin Stupp
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Just watched an episode of Best & Worst of Tred Barta. He was goose hunting in a field with a long bow. Of all places he was hunting in South Hampton, NY. Thought that was a hell of a coincidence.
Chuck J
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This doesn't answer the question "exactly", but you can extrapolate the data to see that he's at least "close". (Info taken from www.flyways.us.) Mexico
Currently, there are no annual estimates available for hunter harvest in Mexico. However, a study by Kramer et al. (1995) gives a good indication of the magnitude and species composition of the annual waterfowl harvest in Mexico. From 1987 to 1992, Kramer et al. conducted a census of harvest in all the traditional waterfowl hunting areas of Mexico, visiting each major area in a different year. Then they applied area-specific correction factors to adjust for under-reporting by hunters. Finally, they summed the results for each area across years to obtain estimates of average annual harvest for all of Mexico. Generally, the waterfowl harvest in Mexico is less than one percent of the total North American harvest. [/QUOTE]
I have to smile when I see someone not only latch onto a position (that this "data" has any statistical basis) but then go after people for not understanding how their superior scientific backgrounds allow them to make condescending comments at will.
Apparently "Kramer et. al" (who??) went to "traditional hunting spots" (where??) and applied "area-specific correction factors" (WHAT???) to poop out a number that is an "estimate of an average". Really? And the "scientists" here buy that? We're in trouble if those scientists have any impact on wildlife management decisions.
Whatever...but let me throw out another variable that, ironically, does support the low Mexico percentage theory.
Twenty years ago, the border was a different place. My work took me there often to manufacturing plants in Reynosa and Matamoros, not far from some of the Tamaulipas hunting spots on the east side of that state. It was easy traveling back then. Now? Not so much. Not sure if you'd really want to enter the state of Tamaulipas to go duck hunting nowadays as there is some other serious shooting going on there that doesnt have anything to do with ducks.
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Scott, I guess you could say it is as good of "Statisitc" that one could "fudge" out of the "data" that is available...but other than that I'd agree it is one step away from BS.
Funny you mention the other shootings, in my searching for data on duck mortality from hunters shots, I stumbled onto data for duck hunter death from those other shots. They were saying you're still more likely to be struck by lightning than shot while on a duck hunting trip in Mexico, but the gap in the odds is closing...I don't know about you, but I wasn't planning on being struck by lightening, and I'm definately not taking a bullet for a duck hunt, albeit likely a very good hunt. At least the crazies up here on the public grounds only are armed with bird shot.
Currently, there are no annual estimates available for hunter harvest in Mexico. However, a study by Kramer et al. (1995) gives a good indication of the magnitude and species composition of the annual waterfowl harvest in Mexico. From 1987 to 1992, Kramer et al. conducted a census of harvest in all the traditional waterfowl hunting areas of Mexico, visiting each major area in a different year. Then they applied area-specific correction factors to adjust for under-reporting by hunters. Finally, they summed the results for each area across years to obtain estimates of average annual harvest for all of Mexico. Generally, the waterfowl harvest in Mexico is less than one percent of the total North American harvest. [/QUOTE]
I have to smile when I see someone not only latch onto a position (that this "data" has any statistical basis) but then go after people for not understanding how their superior scientific backgrounds allow them to make condescending comments at will.
Apparently "Kramer et. al" (who??) went to "traditional hunting spots" (where??) and applied "area-specific correction factors" (WHAT???) to poop out a number that is an "estimate of an average". Really? And the "scientists" here buy that? We're in trouble if those scientists have any impact on wildlife management decisions.
Whatever...but let me throw out another variable that, ironically, does support the low Mexico percentage theory.
Twenty years ago, the border was a different place. My work took me there often to manufacturing plants in Reynosa and Matamoros, not far from some of the Tamaulipas hunting spots on the east side of that state. It was easy traveling back then. Now? Not so much. Not sure if you'd really want to enter the state of Tamaulipas to go duck hunting nowadays as there is some other serious shooting going on there that doesnt have anything to do with ducks.
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Scott, I guess you could say it is as good of "Statisitc" that one could "fudge" out of the "data" that is available...but other than that I'd agree it is one step away from BS.
Funny you mention the other shootings, in my searching for data on duck mortality from hunters shots, I stumbled onto data for duck hunter death from those other shots. They were saying you're still more likely to be struck by lightning than shot while on a duck hunting trip in Mexico, but the gap in the odds is closing...I don't know about you, but I wasn't planning on being struck by lightening, and I'm definately not taking a bullet for a duck hunt, albeit likely a very good hunt. At least the crazies up here on the public grounds only are armed with bird shot.