Whale Wars

I dont have a problem with it Jim so we agree to disagree
 
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so Carl barbarians is equal to a racial slur?
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yea Carl Barbarians thats what they whale oil in outdated whale meat is a luxury whats the purpose of killing something that was almost wiped out 200 years ago when there was a need for the product and in its 18th century perspective ITS 2010 WE DONT NEED WHALE PRODUCTS ANYMORE
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Its 2010 we dont need to hunt for food anymore.......
 
have my apologies for using the abbrevited "Japanese" slur......It was thoughtless and I should not have allowed myself the use of it.......

Steve
 
so Carl barbarians is equal to a racial slur?
amazing
yea Carl Barbarians thats what they whale oil in outdated whale meat is a luxury whats the purpose of killing something that was almost wiped out 200 years ago when there was a need for the product and in its 18th century perspective ITS 2010 WE DONT NEED WHALE PRODUCTS ANYMORE
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Its 2010 we dont need to hunt for food anymore.......
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We don't need to hunt for food anymore......really? Want to tell the people I know who live in northern Michigan who haven't been able to find a job in this state in 3/4 years and depend on wild game for their meat that? I could go on and on but I will stop with this...........You would do well at HSUS/PETA.

As for the whales, what difference is there between the Japenese endangering the whales with their hunting or the protesters endangering the Japenese with their antics. Seems to me lives are at stake no matter if its human or whale.
 
George Reiger once wrote an article in which he said regulated whaling on the several species who's populations are in good shape, and even increasing above historic levels, should be supported.

Tim
 
MADWHALE?

Did he says what whales were, "over historic levels" in that article? I'm not aware of any "large" whales that are....

Steve
 
MADWHALE?

Did he says what whales were, "over historic levels" in that article? I'm not aware of any "large" whales that are....

Steve
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I will admit that I have always wanted to harpoon a whale myself. Harpoon a narwhal out of a kayak in a little fjord would be pretty neat (at least until you had it "in hand", anyway). A beluga would be neat too, but you wouldn't have the tusk when you were done eating it.

T
 
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even the "NUKE THE WHALES" comment...

Kill ALL the Whales cause they eat the plankton that produces the Earths oxygen and if we don't we'll all suffocate.........

Incredible...simply incredible.....

Steve
 
It was a Field and Stream article. I don't remember it word for word and he may have just said near historic levels. I'm not one to save his articles, I just remember that one.

I think he used Minke and Sperm Whales making his point. It wasn't really an "everyone should be hunting whales" article. He was making a point that just because we think certain animals are 'cute' or 'smart' that should not dictate weather they are eaten or not. I think he may have even talked about horses but don't remember that for sure.

Tim
 
we should be allowed to shoot anything, and everything, that can be eaten......be like the French...make no descrimination between the Snipe that flushes from the meadow and the Thursh that gets up afterwards.....kill em all cause its about "food"......a wholly simplistic and single sigthed viewpoint of the World if you ask me....

Steve
 
No I think you are taking it a little farther then the article did. Listen to me defending Reiger. He was saying that this idea that something is too smart or cute could end all hunting. He wasn't saying everything should be hunting but defending those things that are hunted should be consistent. If someone thinks shooting a grizzly is OK with the population status of them then there are whales with better populations whose harvest should be defended the same way. Someone saying they are so smart that they should be hunted shouldn't be embraced by the hunting community.

It is a lot easier to justify Norwegians killing a few whales and porpoises then it ever was Native Americans killing eagles. IMHO.

Tim
 
but from what you say it sounds like he's pressing for if the hunting was "traditional" then as long as the population is viable then the "nature" of the animal, (cute, smart, etc), should have no bearing on the continued hunting of that species......

I disagree with his logic that hunters not condoning the killing of certain animals because they are "smart", "cute", have an economic or intrinsic value beyond a "tailgate shot" could result in the "end of all hunting".....

Re: the Natives killing Eagles vs. Norweigians killing Whales are you not making a value judgement that "food" is more important that "religion"? Certainly those that adhere to "religion", (of whatever belief), would disagree with you on that point.....

Steve
 
I made two points in my previous post:
1. Racial slurs, such as "Japs", is un-warranted. And yes, in the context used, classifying a whole race of people as barbarians, is racist. If whaling is an out-dated 19th century concept, then racism certainly is as well.
2. Calling some one/group of people "barbarians" because they are hunting an animal you dont belive should be hunted, is a dangerous position for anyone who hunts to take. Using this analogy, you, I and anyone on this website is considered a babarian by a whole host of people. Once again, hard to throw stones at someone while you are chatting about killing a duck that does not "need" to be hunted.

I stand by both of my points.
 
I have never researched the whaleing industry, but it seems that the harvest of whales for research might be a lie. I dont have a problem with the harvesting of whales, but it seems these other countries dont care about the enviroment. They take away factory jobs because they can use any chemicals without regards to the enviroment. Are they controling the number of whales taken? Who is checking the creel. I probally will never eat whale meat. It might be good. I would rather wear fur and eat pork, or beef. Steve has a point though without some one against it ,the whales would be gone. The plankton would be as thick as pudding. John
 
so Carl barbarians is equal to a racial slur?
amazing
yea Carl Barbarians thats what they whale oil in outdated whale meat is a luxury whats the purpose of killing something that was almost wiped out 200 years ago when there was a need for the product and in its 18th century perspective ITS 2010 WE DONT NEED WHALE PRODUCTS ANYMORE
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Its 2010 we dont need to hunt for food anymore.......
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We don't need to hunt for food anymore......really? Want to tell the people I know who live in northern Michigan who haven't been able to find a job in this state in 3/4 years and depend on wild game for their meat that? I could go on and on but I will stop with this...........You would do well at HSUS/PETA.

As for the whales, what difference is there between the Japenese endangering the whales with their hunting or the protesters endangering the Japenese with their antics. Seems to me lives are at stake no matter if its human or whale. You have heard of sarcasm Denny right?If you read the back and forth between me and Jim you might understand what I was saying Best Bob
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I think we should have a group of people assigned to tell us what we can or can't hunt based on their feelings of each specie and not the numbers of that specie. That's pretty much what it sounds like to me that people are disagreeing about. Just like the Trapping thread I started back awhile ago. It is fine and dandy to shoot some ducks and geese, sometimes piles of them, some of them that aren't even used (light geese/divers/sea ducks). But trap a fox, mink, otter, etc., and you should be beaten and/or shot. I wouldn't hunt whales, and even some forms of the birds some of you hunt. But does that give me the right to attack others that do? I think it's flay out ridiculous. But like I say, maybe one day ................
 
Shit give me a rocket launcher and a layout boat and ill kill me some whales..... but boy ill need a big decoy too bring one of them boys in.....
 
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