WOW.....bailout plan voted down....

and slayer of the Guard Dog......Mike says you aren't invited anymore cause warranted or not he'd be a little worried abut your intentions....

No flint scythe but I do have a wicked cool flint knife that wold make a shame a machete....warrants 7 circles, maybe 8...

Steve....
 
Hey, that was Conchovar's fault, He told Chullain that no one else was coming! Any way as fun as this is tossing references about, I'll let everyone else get back to finance and politics. One last one, and sticking with the red Branch, I've always felt more affinity for Conall Cernach, or on my darker days, Bricriu, than the "Hound" Remember to toss me some reference book info when you get a chance!
 
This from Rep. Dave Weldon's office (Dave is my Congressman, voted against the bill)

Washington, D.C. - Today, Rep. Dave Weldon (FL-15) issued the following statement on the Paulson bailout plan negotiations:
"While the media has been reporting Rep. Barney Frank’s accusation that House Republicans are to blame for stalling the bailout, the true deal-breaker is Franks’ own language in the bailout package that would funnel tens of millions of dollars of taxpayer funds to the liberal activist organization ACORN and other Democrat political-action groups.”

A provision being pushed by House Financial Services Chairman Frank and his Senate counterpart, Sen. Chris Dodd would direct 20 percent of all proceeds from the bailout – which could amount to over $100 million – to the Housing Trust Fund, which Democrats have been pushing to create for several years to directly fund groups like ACORN.
The Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, aka ACORN, has seen several of its workers indicted for voter fraud, and has been investigated by the Justice Department and several states attorneys general. ACORN is currently conducting a massive registration drive across the nation for Sen. Barack Obama, while simultaneously receiving federal grants to promote their low-income housing agenda. As history demonstrates, the line between the two is often indistinguishable.

Hitch
 
Hitch, if these Millionaire congressmen weren't so focused on spanking CEO's to show "Joe Average" that they are "looking out for" middle America and feathering their own agenda's.....they could have passed it without a single Republican yay vote. Does anyone have a list of Dems that voted Nay? I heard several were ones that crafted the bill.
 
By my count and math, 40% of the dems voted no and 67% of the republicans voted no. For Pelosi to blame the Republicans for both the mess and the failed rescue plan is an insult to everyone in this country. No doubt she is making this financial crises a political issue rather than what it really is. She should be ashamed of her actions but I know she doesn't give a rip. Wiat till you see how she moves to the left and adds even more shit like the ACORN money mentioned above.

The 228-205 roll call Monday of the vote by which the House rejected a $700 billion emergency bailout for the nation's financial system.
A "yes" vote is a vote in favor of the bailout package. Voting yes were 140 Democrats and 65 Republicans. Voting no were 95 Democrats and 133 Republicans.
X denotes those not voting.
There is 1 vacancy in the 435-member House.
ALABAMA
Democrats -- Cramer, Y; Davis, Y.
Republicans -- Aderholt, N; Bachus, Y; Bonner, Y; Everett, Y;
Rogers, Y.
ALASKA
Republicans -- Young, N.
ARIZONA
Democrats -- Giffords, N; Grijalva, N; Mitchell, N; Pastor, N.
Republicans -- Flake, N; Franks, N; Renzi, N; Shadegg, N.
ARKANSAS
Democrats -- Berry, Y; Ross, Y; Snyder, Y.
Republicans -- Boozman, Y.
CALIFORNIA
Democrats -- Baca, N; Becerra, N; Berman, Y; Capps, Y; Cardoza, Y; Costa, Y; Davis, Y; Eshoo, Y; Farr, Y; Filner, N; Harman, Y; Honda, Y; Lee, N; Lofgren, Zoe, Y; Matsui, Y; McNerney, Y; Miller, George, Y; Napolitano, N; Pelosi, Y; Richardson, Y; Roybal-Allard, N; Sanchez, Linda T., N; Sanchez, Loretta, N; Schiff, N; Sherman, N; Solis, N; Speier, Y; Stark, N; Tauscher, Y; Thompson, N; Waters, Y; Watson, N; Waxman, Y; Woolsey, N.
Republicans -- Bilbray, N; Bono Mack, Y; Calvert, Y; Campbell, Y; Doolittle, N; Dreier, Y; Gallegly, N; Herger, Y; Hunter, N; Issa, N; Lewis, Y; Lungren, Daniel E., Y; McCarthy, N; McKeon, Y; Miller, Gary, Y; Nunes, N; Radanovich, Y; Rohrabacher, N; Royce, N.
COLORADO
Democrats -- DeGette, Y; Perlmutter, Y; Salazar, N; Udall, N.
Republicans -- Lamborn, N; Musgrave, N; Tancredo, Y.
CONNECTICUT
Democrats -- Courtney, N; DeLauro, Y; Larson, Y; Murphy, Y.
Republicans -- Shays, Y.
DELAWARE
Republicans -- Castle, Y.
FLORIDA
Democrats -- Boyd, Y; Brown, Corrine, Y; Castor, N; Hastings, Y; Klein, Y; Mahoney, Y; Meek, Y; Wasserman Schultz, Y; Wexler, Y.
Republicans -- Bilirakis, N; Brown-Waite, Ginny, N; Buchanan, N; Crenshaw, Y; Diaz-Balart, L., N; Diaz-Balart, M., N; Feeney, N; Keller, N; Mack, N; Mica, N; Miller, N; Putnam, Y; Ros-Lehtinen, N; Stearns, N; Weldon, Y; Young, N.
GEORGIA
Democrats -- Barrow, N; Bishop, Y; Johnson, N; Lewis, N; Marshall, Y; Scott, N.
Republicans -- Broun, N; Deal, N; Gingrey, N; Kingston, N; Linder, N; Price, N; Westmoreland, N.
HAWAII
Democrats -- Abercrombie, N; Hirono, N.
IDAHO
Republicans -- Sali, N; Simpson, Y.
ILLINOIS
Democrats -- Bean, Y; Costello, N; Davis, Y; Emanuel, Y; Foster, Y; Gutierrez, Y; Hare, Y; Jackson, N; Lipinski, N; Rush, N; Schakowsky, Y.
Republicans -- Biggert, N; Johnson, N; Kirk, Y; LaHood, Y; Manzullo, N; Roskam, N; Shimkus, N; Weller, X.
INDIANA
Democrats -- Carson, N; Donnelly, Y; Ellsworth, Y; Hill, N; Visclosky, N.
Republicans -- Burton, N; Buyer, N; Pence, N; Souder, Y.
IOWA
Democrats -- Boswell, Y; Braley, N; Loebsack, Y.
Republicans -- King, N; Latham, N.
KANSAS
Democrats -- Boyda, N; Moore, Y.
Republicans -- Moran, N; Tiahrt, N.
KENTUCKY
Democrats -- Chandler, N; Yarmuth, N.
Republicans -- Davis, N; Lewis, Y; Rogers, Y; Whitfield, N.
LOUISIANA
Democrats -- Cazayoux, N; Jefferson, N; Melancon, Y.
Republicans -- Alexander, N; Boustany, N; McCrery, Y; Scalise, N.
MAINE
Democrats -- Allen, Y; Michaud, N.
MARYLAND
Democrats -- Cummings, N; Edwards, N; Hoyer, Y; Ruppersberger, Y;
Sarbanes, Y; Van Hollen, Y.
Republicans -- Bartlett, N; Gilchrest, Y.
MASSACHUSETTS
Democrats -- Capuano, Y; Delahunt, N; Frank, Y; Lynch, N; Markey,
Y; McGovern, Y; Neal, Y; Olver, Y; Tierney, N; Tsongas, Y.
MICHIGAN
Democrats -- Conyers, N; Dingell, Y; Kildee, Y; Kilpatrick, N; Levin, Y; Stupak, N.
Republicans -- Camp, Y; Ehlers, Y; Hoekstra, N; Knollenberg, N; McCotter, N; Miller, N; Rogers, N; Upton, Y; Walberg, N.
MINNESOTA
Democrats -- Ellison, Y; McCollum, Y; Oberstar, Y; Peterson, N; Walz, N.
Republicans -- Bachmann, N; Kline, Y; Ramstad, N.
MISSISSIPPI
Democrats -- Childers, N; Taylor, N; Thompson, N.
Republicans -- Pickering, Y.
MISSOURI
Democrats -- Carnahan, Y; Clay, N; Cleaver, N; Skelton, Y.
Republicans -- Akin, N; Blunt, Y; Emerson, Y; Graves, N; Hulshof, N.
MONTANA
Republicans -- Rehberg, N.
NEBRASKA
Republicans -- Fortenberry, N; Smith, N; Terry, N.
NEVADA
Democrats -- Berkley, N.
Republicans -- Heller, N; Porter, Y.
NEW HAMPSHIRE
Democrats -- Hodes, N; Shea-Porter, N.
NEW JERSEY
Democrats -- Andrews, Y; Holt, Y; Pallone, Y; Pascrell, N; Payne, N; Rothman, N; Sires, Y.
Republicans -- Ferguson, Y; Frelinghuysen, N; Garrett, N; LoBiondo, N; Saxton, Y; Smith, N.
NEW MEXICO
Democrats -- Udall, N.
Republicans -- Pearce, N; Wilson, Y.
NEW YORK
Democrats -- Ackerman, Y; Arcuri, Y; Bishop, Y; Clarke, Y; Crowley, Y; Engel, Y; Gillibrand, N; Hall, Y; Higgins, Y; Hinchey, N; Israel, Y; Lowey, Y; Maloney, Y; McCarthy, Y; McNulty, Y; Meeks, Y; Nadler, Y; Rangel, Y; Serrano, N; Slaughter, Y; Towns, Y; Velazquez, Y; Weiner, Y.
Republicans -- Fossella, Y; King, Y; Kuhl, N; McHugh, Y; Reynolds, Y; Walsh, Y.
NORTH CAROLINA
Democrats -- Butterfield, N; Etheridge, Y; McIntyre, N; Miller, Y; Price, Y; Shuler, N; Watt, Y.
Republicans -- Coble, N; Foxx, N; Hayes, N; Jones, N; McHenry, N; Myrick, N.
NORTH DAKOTA
Democrats -- Pomeroy, Y.
OHIO
Democrats -- Kaptur, N; Kucinich, N; Ryan, Y; Space, Y; Sutton, N; Wilson, Y.
Republicans -- Boehner, Y; Chabot, N; Hobson, Y; Jordan, N; LaTourette, N; Latta, N; Pryce, Y; Regula, Y; Schmidt, N; Tiberi, N; Turner, N.
OKLAHOMA
Democrats -- Boren, Y.
Republicans -- Cole, Y; Fallin, N; Lucas, N; Sullivan, N.
OREGON
Democrats -- Blumenauer, N; DeFazio, N; Hooley, Y; Wu, N.
Republicans -- Walden, Y.
PENNSYLVANIA
Democrats -- Altmire, N; Brady, Y; Carney, N; Doyle, Y; Fattah, Y; Holden, N; Kanjorski, Y; Murphy, Patrick, Y; Murtha, Y; Schwartz, Y; Sestak, Y.
Republicans -- Dent, N; English, N; Gerlach, N; Murphy, Tim, N; Peterson, Y; Pitts, N; Platts, N; Shuster, N.
RHODE ISLAND
Democrats -- Kennedy, Y; Langevin, Y.
SOUTH CAROLINA
Democrats -- Clyburn, Y; Spratt, Y.
Republicans -- Barrett, N; Brown, Y; Inglis, Y; Wilson, Y.
SOUTH DAKOTA
Democrats -- Herseth Sandlin, N.
TENNESSEE
Democrats -- Cohen, Y; Cooper, Y; Davis, Lincoln, N; Gordon, Y; Tanner, Y.
Republicans -- Blackburn, N; Davis, David, N; Duncan, N; Wamp, N.
TEXAS
Democrats -- Cuellar, N; Doggett, N; Edwards, Y; Gonzalez, Y; Green, Al, N; Green, Gene, N; Hinojosa, Y; Jackson-Lee, N; Johnson, E. B., Y; Lampson, N; Ortiz, N; Reyes, Y; Rodriguez, N.
Republicans -- Barton, N; Brady, Y; Burgess, N; Carter, N; Conaway, N; Culberson, N; Gohmert, N; Granger, Y; Hall, N; Hensarling, N; Johnson, Sam, N; Marchant, N; McCaul, N; Neugebauer, N; Paul, N; Poe, N; Sessions, Y; Smith, Y; Thornberry, N.
UTAH
Democrats -- Matheson, N.
Republicans -- Bishop, N; Cannon, Y.
VERMONT
Democrats -- Welch, N.
VIRGINIA
Democrats -- Boucher, Y; Moran, Y; Scott, N.
Republicans -- Cantor, Y; Davis, Tom, Y; Drake, N; Forbes, N; Goode, N; Goodlatte, N; Wittman, N; Wolf, Y.
WASHINGTON
Democrats -- Baird, Y; Dicks, Y; Inslee, N; Larsen, Y; McDermott, Y; Smith, Y.
Republicans -- Hastings, N; McMorris Rodgers, N; Reichert, N.
WEST VIRGINIA
Democrats -- Mollohan, Y; Rahall, Y.
Republicans -- Capito, N.
WISCONSIN
Democrats -- Baldwin, Y; Kagen, N; Kind, Y; Moore, Y; Obey, Y.
Republicans -- Petri, N; Ryan, Y; Sensenbrenner, N.
WYOMING
Republicans -- Cubin, Y.
 
I heard the dems that voted no were the one's up for re-election.


It's the house, they are all up for re-election. They may be in closer races but they all are campaigning.
Some of the republicans who voted for it are retiring.
 
I heard the dems that voted no were the one's up for re-election.


I heard that there were plenty of Rep up for re-election that also voted no.
 
Pelosi's vicious opening remarks yesterday about the Repubs sure didn't help the bill's chances, but I think they all knew how it was going to turn out anyway.
I am mad as hell about this for many reasons, but mostly because they want us to give one trillion dollars to the same dumb sumbitches who got us into this mess. I heard some Treasury official on the radio this morning who said the plan "might" work. WTF? I think they just came up with some ginormous amount that would scare the hell out of everyone.
I am no economist but it seems to me that greedy lenders made bad loans to dumbass borrowers who had no business buying homes they could not afford. We even saw it around here in conservative South Dakota...20 somethings demanding to live like their parents and assuming a huge mortgage and credit card debt and new cars right out of college. And now all the guilty parties want to assume the role of victim and I am a bad guy for saying tough shit. I don't carry any credit card debt and our cars our paid for and my wife and I rented for many years after we got married and we were well into our 30s before we had accrued the 20% down that borrowers used to require before giving you a mortgage(I bet we see those days again.)
Like everyone else, my investments have taken a huge hit and now I won't be retiring anytime soon. But I think that free market forces should be allowed to work and shake this all out. I agree that it will be painful and it may last awhile.
 
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Yep, but he voted "no" because it didn't go far enough "to protect homeowners." Add a few extra hundred billion and he would have supported it for sure.
 
It's the house, they are all up for re-election. They may be in closer races but they all are campaigning.
Some of the republicans who voted for it are retiring.


Weldon voted for it according to the above post. When I called his office, I was told he voted against it. Weldon is retiring.

I ask then; if the dems wanted this so much, if it was the right thing to do, and if the repubs are so "unpatriotic" as the hag Pelosi has suggested, then why did 95 dems vote against it. And if it did include money for ACORN, then why did any repubs vote for it.

It just goes to show we should throw them all out!

Hitch
 
all my mortages are paid off, the freezer is full of game, and i got plenty of bullets, i'll have a place to live and food -- and will defend both -- hahaha

remeber a few months back when we thought things couldn't get much worse!??
 
Alaska's Don Young is up for relection and is in a tough race. Being investigated for some DOT funding "miss deads" in FL that may have resulted in donations for his good work down there has him feeling like he needs to pay attention to his consituents.

The AK conservatives have been yelling at him for a few days to not give in so he didn't.

This mornings news mentioned that European governments were having to buy some of their banks due to the mortgage securities problem.

When I was first offered an ARM during a refi of my shack I told the guy these were for suckers or house flippers only. It turns out there are a lot of suckers out there on both sides of the table.

We need to repeal the acts that take away control over the markets. They don't know how to control themselves so the government has to. De regulation is not the answer since the "free market" is nothing but a feeding frenzy when there are no rules.
 
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