Sneakbox Renovation

John et al~

Thanks for the kind words. I am certainly savoring my time in the shop.

As mentioned, the next few jobs are much easier if done BEFORE the decks go on.

Installing the Beckson deck plates is straightforward. They recommend using silicon caulk to bed them. And, I used S/S panheads - #8s.


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Another job was modifying the oar chocks - because I have switched the oars end-for-end when stored - to make room for the stern air chambers. The blades would rest on - and potentially chafe - the inside of the hull. So, I am adding fillers to each of the forward chocks to raise the blades up off the hull.


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I will line each chock - and the larger oblong holes through the knees - with rubber. Easier to do before the decks go on - but not bad either way.


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I also bored some holes through the port side knees - just in case I need to run electrical (battery?) cable forward someday.



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Then I painted the interior with Lou Tisch's FME #28 - masking off the Seattle Gray storage areas.



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I did not paint the middle stringer - because the center floorboards will be permanently fastened there with screws and 3M 5200.

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I will not install the aft Beckson plates until after I install the new thatch rails - which will be bolted through the decking. These plates are only 4 inches in diameter - a bit tight for my (massive, tree-trunk like biceps) arms - so I can reach the fender washers and nuts more easily.

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Finally, I made a block from which I will hang the fire extinguisher in its plastic holder. The underside is pre-drilled for the holder.

I scribed the slight curve of the cockpit carlin and beveled the cut on the band saw at about 15 degrees to keep it below the crown of the decking.


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The decks are 1/4-inch AC plywood. I start by clamping on the forward quarters, with one edge running down - and clamped to - the centerline on the central frame member.



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I clamp it down as much as I can and then mark the edges - along the gunwale and the inside of the cockpit.

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I mark the after edges of the forward quarters - so I know where the aft quarters begin.


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I cut the decks about an inch wider than needed - just in case the plywood "creeps" a bit as it's being fastened. This can be a problem when there is more compound curvature and the plywood needs to be "tortured" during installation. It may have been unnecessary of this boat - but is good practice when working with exotic shapes.



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All cutting with the sabre saw is of the "close enough" variety. Once cut to approximate shape, I clamp or tack the deck pieces in place with sheet metal screws.




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Satisfied with the fit, I put the plywood back on the bench and seal the bottom sides with epoxy.
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I will fasten the interior edges with bronze ring nails (aka boat nails) and the outer edges with temporary self-tapping screws.

This plywood jig is for measuring. Because the overlarge plywood overhangs the existing gunwale of the hull, it allows me to measure one inch inside the actual gunwale.




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I space the fasteners about 3 inches apart.

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The seam between the forward and aft quarters does not land on a frame - by design. To avoid creating a "hard spot", the 2 pieces of decking are joined with a butt block. (They could be scarphed in to a single long piece - but the extra work is unwarranted, in my opinion. I would only do so for a stich-n-glue boat - or for the hull bottom.)

NOTE: I cut these butt blocks across the grain - so that they will conform more readily to the very slight crown of the deck.


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I pre-drill all of the holes for the screws.



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And, I start each nail hole with an awl.



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All mating surfaces get generous bead(s) of 3M 5200. I am especially careful around the air chambers.



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NOTE: I do NOT fasten to the athwartships frame EXCEPT along the forward and aft edges of the cockpit opening. There is no benefit to fastening to the frames and knees et cetera - and you risk weakening the plywood by perforating it with fasteners. This is even more important on the bottom of a plywood hull - and I have seen others "strengthen" an existing hull with screws or nails into the floor frames. Remember: Longitudinals only!


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The screws will be left in place for a whole week - while the 5200 cures fully. In a future episode, I will finish the edges and wrap them with 'glass.


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The butt blocks were also set in 5200 - and held temporarily with screws.



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Now to seal the undersides of the forward deck pieces....

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Steve

Looks like a well thought out and executed job. Only one question. Please explain rationale for avoiding "hard spot" on the butt joint.

Brad
 
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Looking nice.

A trick to help 5200 cure quicker is to spray mist some water on it prior to putting on the deck and screwing down. This is a moisture curing urethane and a little water does help. Especially i f used on motor mount areas where no air (and therefore no water) can get to the adhesive.

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Brad~

I'm not sure about the "retail ale", but - I am guessing you want a better explanation of butt blocks. I will get to that in a minute. I just came in from fastening the forward deck pieces.

First, I glued some padding to the oar chocks. I cut up an old truck inner tube and "glued" with ShoeGoo.


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Then, I removed the temporary frame - possible now that I had fastened the aft deck panels - so all dimensions are established.



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This is my first look at the unobstructed cockpit.



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I fastened the forward decking just as I did the aft decking yesterday.


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BUTT BLOCKS ~ The purpose of butt blocks is to maintain a "fair" hull or deck shape when the "skin" is applied. The concept of "fair" refers to the curves on the boat. They must progress gradually and predictably and have no bumps, lumps, bends or hollows. (I have often thought that a better mathematician that I could describe them in terms of an algebraic formula.) They are easy to draw to scale with a french curve. When lofting full-size, long, straight-grained battens help.

Butt blocks have long been used on traditional planked (carvel) hulls when individual planks are not long enough to reach from stem to stern. Such butt blocks are located between frames and fastened to the plank ends for a prescribed length. The hope is that the 2 lengths of plank - once joined by the butt blocks - bend as would a single plank.

When butting sheets of plywood end to end, a bump or hollow can easily be created unless you spread the forces out along a greater length. As mentioned earlier, the choices are either scarphing (joining 2 pieces of wood beveled on
at least a 1:8 plane) or gluing butt blocks to both ends. As with many of my design decisions, I relied upon intuition and experience to select butt blocks that spread the bending forces along 6 inches - 3 inches on each piece. I ran the grain of the butt blocks in the same direction (fore and aft) as on the decking pieces.

Here I laid a length of 1/8-inch brass on the decks: no bumps or hollows.


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Here's a close-up view: no daylight beneath the brass.


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Make sense?


NEXT STEP ~ Since the 3M 5200 needs to cure for a full week, I will work on some peripheral jobs before I can trim all the edges and get ready for 'glassing.

All the best,

SJS







 
My spellchecker didn't like rationale and "corrected" it to retail ale. I'm sensitive to poor spelling as it was ingrained in my early schooling that misspelled words were an indicator of carelessness. So I always keep the spellchecker going, but sometimes it creates those little embarrassments I hoped to avoid.

I appreciate your explanation and illustrations almost as much as a fair curve. But I was wondering about the strength of such a joint on a hard working craft such as a duck boat. I suppose the decks will never have to support your body weight or the glass will spread the forces out over a wider area. Thanks again Steve, your posts are mini text books.
 
Rich~

Typically, I would use either a laminate trimmer bit or round-over bit in my router - using the existing gunwale as the guide for the router to trim the plywood. I WILL trim the cockpit opening that way - with a round-over bit so the 'glass can take the radius down onto the carlins.

However, the existing gunwales are not perfectly fair (although they're close). So, the job gets much more complicated. I will clamp a long, fair batten - probably a 16-foot length of 3/4-inch quarter-round moulding that I keep in the shop for such purposes. I will use it to draw a fair line along the intended edge and then use a sabre saw then my electric plane to cut right to the line. I will probably have to do some filling (thickened epoxy) in spots, then finish with the router + round-over bit (probably 3/8-inch radius).

In hindsight, I should have used the batten before installing the decks. As I have before, I could have then used my belt sander to get it right on the line.

This is one of those fussy things that maybe only I would lose sleep over - but I surely would!

All the best,

SJS

 
Inspiring as always Steve.
I simply marvel at your talent and wonder what must have run through your mind when in my boat!
Thanks for the pictorial!
 
Good morning, Troy~

When I wasn't dodging all those Eiders and Scoters, my ONLY thought was: This man needs a BIGGER boat!

All the best,

SJS
 
Steve,
Just so I am clear, the self tappers are temporary, until the 5200 bonds? And then you are removing them? Will you be replacing them with another fastener, or relying on the 5200 for the connection? Any reason for the 5200 instead of thickened epoxy?
I am not judging, just inquiring for my own education. I am looking at making a Zack Taylor Widgeon, so I am following your posts carefully. Thank you.
 
Geoff~

Correct - the self-tappers will come out on the weekend. No additional fasteners BUT I will be wrapping the deck 'glass over and underneath the gunwales. Thickened epoxy would probably work as well - but I like the flexibility of the 5200. If I did use epoxy, I would probably mix in some 'glass fibers (I have 1/4" and 1/2" in the shop) - maybe just out of superstition. I have yet to use G-Flex but it may be the perfect epoxy product for this application.

BTW: I have used this approach on a similar project - when we molded a hull of this boat several years back. That boat is still going strong.

All the best,

SJS


 
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[font=Tahoma, sans-serif]After fastening the decks, I let the 3M 5200 cure for over a week and turned my attention to other tasks – as well as visiting Long Island for a variety of "duck projects". The floorboards had already gotten 2 coats of epoxy for sealing and toughening, then I put 2 coats of Lou Tisch's FME #28 on for topcoats.[/font]
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[font=Tahoma, sans-serif]I also carved the bow handle – of a Black Duck Sleeper. I tried to put a lot of Art Deco into this design. Although my original plan was to paint it duckboat color as I have done with my other bow handles, the grain on this Philippine Mahogany is just too nice. So, I will finish it "bright" for at least its first couple of seasons. Here it has just a wet coat of Minwax "Gunstock" oil stain. Since this photo, is has gotten 2 coats of Casey's Tru-Oil Gunstick Finish – and will soon get 3 or more coats of marine varnish (Pettit Hi-Build 5026) with ScotchBrite scuffings in between.[/font]



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[font=Tahoma, sans-serif]As explained previously, I could not simply use a router – with a laminate trimmer or similar bit – to trim the overhanging decking because the original gunwale is not perfectly "sweet" – not the perfect fair curve we all love and need. So, I clamped a fair batten – a length of 3/4-inch quarter round molding that I keep for such a purpose – up tight against the screw heads. I used a pencil – not a felt marker – to strike this line because I want the finish edge to be right on the money. I may not be building a Swiss watch – as my brother Ted would say – but these old eyes can still detect a wandering 1/16-inch.....[/font]


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[font=Tahoma, sans-serif]Up forward, where the curve gets tighter, I used a length of PVC trim to help scribe the line.[/font]



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[font=Tahoma, sans-serif]I backed out all of the machine screws - and saved them for another project.[/font]



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[font=Tahoma, sans-serif]The initial cut was with my sabre (jig) saw. I tried to stay a bit wide of the pencil line.[/font]



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[font=Tahoma, sans-serif]I could not photograph myself holding the belt sander – with 80-grit – on edge. I used it to remove the excess plywood right to the pencil line.[/font]


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[font=Tahoma, sans-serif]I could not yet round over the gunwale with a router because there were a few places where the 'glass gunwale was shy of the new plywood edge. So, I filled these areas with epoxy + fairing compound + 1/4-inch 'glass fibers. I add the 'glass fibers to give the filler more structural integrity.
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[font=Tahoma, sans-serif]I was able to use the router – with a 3/8-inch roundover bit – to trim the cockpit edges because it is all new construction and so has satisfactory curves.[/font]


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[font=Tahoma, sans-serif]I ground off all of the other deck seams and then filled them and the screw holes with epoxy + fairing compound – but no 'glass fibers.[/font]



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[font=Tahoma, sans-serif]Once I sanded off all of the cured epoxy, I could now use the roundover bit on the gunwales and across the transom lip.[/font]



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[font=Tahoma, sans-serif]Although the decks are now ready for 'glassing, I wanted instead to mark the locations of all of the things that will be fastened to (or through) the decks. Some of these needed to be fabricated first for accurate marking.[/font]


[font=Tahoma, sans-serif]The first feature was the toe rail for the spray dodger. I screwed blocks right to the deck – later filled and sanded – to hold the PVC batten where I wanted it. [/font]


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[font=Tahoma, sans-serif]I adjusted everything for symmetry and then took enough measurements so I could later bend a bow (for the canvas) that would fit just inside the toe rail.[/font]


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[font=Tahoma, sans-serif]To lay out the new thatch rails, I measured in 7 and 8 inches from the gunwale.[/font]



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[font=Tahoma, sans-serif] I used the old rails to check spacing.
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[font=Tahoma, sans-serif]My "formula" – for holding just enough Salt Hay (Spartina patens) to cover the boat, but no more – is:[/font]


[font=Tahoma, sans-serif]Slots 3/16-inch "high" x 6 inches long. Spacers are 3/16-inch thick by 2 inches long. I prefer to glue the spacers to the rails – rather than cut the slots out of solid stock.[/font]




[font=Tahoma, sans-serif]Although I have always run my thatch rails full length, on this boat they will be split at the oarlock stanchions. I want to move the oarlocks further outboard than they had been so that the inside ends of the oars will no longer overlap.[/font]




[font=Tahoma, sans-serif]I laminated the stanchions from AC plywood: 1/2-inch + 5/8-inch + 1/2-inch. This is another first. My other wooden stanchions were always from a solid piece of lumber (Mahogany or Cypress). This application was confounded by the need to put grass beneath the stanchion. The thatching slot precludes me from running carriage bolts from the oarlock socket straight down through the deck and backing block. With the lateral forces on these stanchions, I do not trust a single piece of wood to not split with use. (I could have used pipe stanchions instead – but the quarter knees to which I would mount them belowdecks are not in a suitable location.) These will get 3 coats of epoxy later in the process.[/font]



[font=Tahoma, sans-serif] The bottom parts – cut on the table saw – are not scrap. They will be used as backer blocks so the nuts and washers will make up square belowdecks.[/font]


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[font=Tahoma, sans-serif]Spacers are glued (Elmers polyurethane) to the stanchions with a lip on each end. These lips will serve as landings for the free ends of the thatching rails. The ends of the rails will be pinned and glued to the stanchions during installation.[/font]



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[font=Tahoma, sans-serif]I am also installing thatch rails down the centerline of the boat, on the the bow and stern decks. These are wider than normal – 2 inches – because they also have to serve as a base for: a bow handle, cleats and stanchions for my portable navigation lights.[/font]



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[font=Tahoma, sans-serif]Spacer blocks are glued with the Elmers polyurethane again. They will be sealed with epoxy prior to installation.[/font]


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[font=Tahoma, sans-serif]The low block will hold the nav lights. When I am gunning, the stern light will mount on the top of the outboard cover. When this boat is up on Champlain during the summer, however, oars will be the likely means of propulsion. So, the stern light can mount just ahead of the motor board - but still be high enough above it to be seen.[/font]


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This little bit of daylight required my attention. The foredeck flipped up a full 1/16-inch just before the nose - so the heavy belt sander was brought in to set things right.

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You'll have to take my word for it: That daylight is gone......



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[font=Tahoma, sans-serif]NOW she's ready for 'glass on her decks.[/font]



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Steve, Thanks for sharing your rebuild. I've learned more from this then any book, Did you ever identify the builder of the hull.

Phil
 
Watching and waiting......with baited breath! Please don't mind the dropped jaw and drooling.....it's a look I have mastered.


Dave
 
Hi, Rich~

As usual, I try to use whatever I have on hand - up in the loft. For the thatch rails down the center of the boat, I used some nice Philippine Mahogany (lauan). For the lateral rails, I am using vertical grain Douglas-fir.

A couple of years back, my woodworker neighbor Kirk bought up the old bleacher seats from Cambridge Central School. The plank seats were a mix of Yellow Pine and Doug-fir. He turned most of it into flooring but let me scrounge a bunch of the "lips" - the part of the plank outboard of the fastener holes. Most are 14 to 16 feet long, clear, and about 1-1/2 inches wide and maybe 1-1/8 inch thick. Perfect for inwales, rub rails and projects like this.

Although both woods are hard, tough and rot-resistant, I prefer the Doug-fir because it is a bit easier to drill a vertical hole through it. Even in a jig on the drill press, the grain in Yellow Pine is so strong it can overwhelm the drill.

BTW: Decks are now 'glassed and got their last coat of epoxy this morning.

All the best,

SJS

 
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